英国CELESTION（百变龙）玩家俱乐部 !

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dingmr911

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Never imaged there would be a foreign friend here......

Haven't been here for a long time.....

Just thanks to MF10....

Now my celestion goes pretty well with Nad[s:97]

But this system still cannot hadle classic such as 1812 overture.....

CHLim

dingmr911,

1812 will embrass a lot of "High End" setups, let alone bookshelf.

I took Mary Black's "No frontier", the first audiophile CD I bought out from the shelve and took a spin. She sounded possibly the best with my current setup. Liquid, sweet and relax. Vocal is Celestion's strength. Hope that you enjoy your setup as I with mine.

How does NAD compete with Chinese amp? I remember NAD3020i that rock the world. Wish I could lsiten to these combo. I predict that more and more Chinese products will fload the market.

Cheer

dingmr911

Chinese AMP still has a long way to go....I think the gap between them and the world famous brands is not technique but the understanding of music...

Some one told me that NAD wouldn't be compatible with Celestion cuz  they are are from England....The same style of them cannot make up each other's weakness but strenthen it...He told me the sound would be  as vague as a fog....

But just as MF10 told me,  the combination just  function very well. The vocal is pretty good and so is the cello.

BTW,My amp is a 3020,second handed, from a bro in Shenzhen....

[ 本帖最后由 dingmr911 于 2008-6-25 00:05 编辑 ]

CHLim

Yes, in fact many guys also advised me to mate with Brit amp. Insteads, I use what ever I have before "optimizing" Celestion SL6s. The danish amp is doing incredibly well I shall say, me coming from tube amp. Danish audio has a neutral, detail, dynamic and warmish sound as compare with Brit offerings. Still looking for more power and a little sparkle at the top.
I can also boldly say that most budget tube amps do not sound clean. Mist, mine too.
I had owned NAD C340, euphonic enough but not detail enough for me, tho. The last thing I ever want is a violin sounded like a viola.
which Celestion you use? Which province in China do you come from?
While the world economy is facing down turn, China and India are still booming. How lucky you guys are!

dingmr911

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I use Celestion 9 which my father bought  more than ten years ago and I'm from Shanghai.

Speaking of "optimizing", cuz of my small room, I can't do the ideal position. Firstly I was so depressed with it. But now I feel much better cuz I transfer my attention on the music not just the speaker....

China is developing very fast nowadays,but I'd say, a little bit too fast. Our life becomes more and more stressful especially in a big city like Shanghai.

Now we have learned how to catch the step with the world.  But we chinese still need to learn how to lay down the burden...

Can't talk too further in politics in public here..... Let's transfer our topic to music.

What kind of music you like?

I love all types of music. Classic, Rocks, New Age, Jass,Pop， from Chopin to Johnny Cash[s:97]

[ 本帖最后由 dingmr911 于 2008-6-25 20:31 编辑 ]

zgl9922

楼上的老兄 你是美国人啊 全书外文 看不懂啊

MF10

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tou120815

MF兄能翻译一下吗???

CHLim

dingmr911,

Ya, I have been to Shanghai many times but never once stop there for hifi. It is a very busy metropolitan city. I can feel the pressure of this vibrant city. Cost of food is reasonable but the property is "mad". Cleaner air is much needed there.   

I play my setup in 2.5m x 3.5m room. Not ideal, placed a bit of home made sound board to reduce reflections. Place them facing straight to get the widest soundstage that way, sitting less than 1.5m from the speakers. Nearfield listening, you lose the bass extension. So, there is nothing great.

Music listened are acoustics, vocal, jazz, classical and a little pop. 潘越雲 is my favourite chinese diva, her vocal has such a magnetic effect on me to the effect that I just listen to her vocal and forget about what she sing. A litttle bore with 蔡琴. Acoustic materials like piano, guitar, violin, cello and other instrument in solo. I love the nuance of the timbre 音色. Not so good in classical stuff but learning. Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash too. Good male vocal is so hard to find! Celestion is not so good with New Age, in my opinion.

In absolute sense, SL6s is a colored than being neutral, wonderful soundstage, a bit slow, lack of details, warm and dark. It is the color we love. My setup managed to break the wall down, with deep and wide soundstage. Of course the amp also plays a role here. I compare Celestion with Audio Note. AN sounds like Harbeth. Everyone is bias. To me, Celestion attracted me with the liquidity of the mids that rare and hard to describe. It leave a lasting impression especially for a jaded audiophile after journeyed into the audio wilderness. Somehow, British speakers still have quite some followings. Unfortunately, one by one they are gone in either acquisition, merging or close down.

MF10,

Listened to (no offend) the following but my impression of

Spendor - sounded blur and fat occasionally. BC1 and SP1/2 are said to be the better one. Required lots of power. Excellent result with solid state amp. 3/5s, a more lively LS3/5a but loses it midrange magic.

Rogers - They were designed by some engineers in a "garage-like" lab in early days. UK made LS series is sought after. LS3/5a 15 ohm is a cult, ridiculous price. The only loudspeaker I know that appreciate in value 3x or 4x from it original value. The China produced one, eerrrrrr...... Sterling UK, Gini UK, Richard Allen and China Ho are jumping into the wagon now. The boxy sound and the off white pp driver is its signature. Careful if buy used, the off white driver could deformed due to temperature and ageing.  

Pro Ac - different school of British sound. Dynamic, fast, lots of details, transparent and pinpoint imaging. Stewart admitted that he prefers a higher pitch. Best driven with tube to mellow down the character and the much needed bloom. Dislike to tweeter surround and driver ring, they deteriorate due to ageing.

Harbeth - neutral, neutral and neutral. HL5 is my favourite. Man, you should listen to piano with HL5 + Quad 606! I can hear the nuance of the piano body and the decay of every keyboard. They are that good. Vocal is as good.

ATC - exemplify music with power. Thick sounding, adores male vocal. Female vocal sounded 10 years old. If you get what I mean. ATC gives you the ambience and it is like transporting you to a musical event. One has to listen to believe. Suck up power like no tommorrow. ATC will break your bank account, ha ha ha.

B&W - sound similar to ATC with more high extension.

Think of the extreme, Pro Ac (yin) and ATC ( yang). Their sonic color your listening. No right or wrong. Enjoy music! Better get back to work.

近风

Very exciting  and impressive talking ！
知道Celestion是大学时代图书馆里偶然见到有一本英文杂志New Hifi Sound，那时大约是88-89年，正好又很喜欢音响。印象中这家杂志以推崇廉价产品为主，喇叭出现最多的就是Celestion DL系列，那时候香港的音响杂志又非常推崇600仔，而我真正要买音箱的时候发现这个品牌消失了，所以印象深刻。

dingmr911

I just arrived home from work....

To ZGL...
我是中国人。。。。

To MF 10兄，虽然CELESTION并非我所选择，但实际上我对它相当满意，这种风格很合我胃口，如果再给我一次机会，或许我还是会选择它。现在唯一的遗憾是，我这对箱子成色实在不敢恭维，只可聆听，不可观摩，呵呵。那个古董3020和CELESTION的组合调整好了，也没有很朦的感觉。只是我的房间真的很小，堆得东西又很多，严重影响定位，听交响乐时层次感比较差。不过下班回家，也没多少精神和时间去听整部交响乐，倒是喜欢听听钢琴小品，或者所以影响也不大。。。。。

To Chlim,

"Place them facing straight to get the widest soundstage that way, " I can't quite agree with you by that.... Using for nearfield listening, I think putting a small angle inside will make the sound more solid and clear. Since my room is quite small and stuck with a lot of furniture, I do the position this way to recoup some of the loss.....

You like 潘越雲? This really impressed me... Today not many people still remember her. But She's very unique, not like the common female voice but sounds a little bit neutral... I don't regard her as a pop singer, her songs doesn't always amuse your ears but always hit a cord with your heart. ..

[ 本帖最后由 dingmr911 于 2008-6-26 20:34 编辑 ]

hongtaos

是看了网上的文章，有一篇是写叶力老爷子家的，还有一篇是老关的，好像对sl6，sl600都惜爱有佳，那么想想不会错吧，就买了，实际看来是正确的，我的百变龙sl6，做了一个薄薄的贴纸。

CHLim

Assuming you have an even length side wall and a flat front wall, toe in will give

-   a more precise and solid imaging in the expense of soundstage width.  
-   the listening position is brought closer to speakers, (both soundwaves from left and right speaker meets earlier at, a shorter distance from the speakers)
-   the soundstage is deeper but not wider.
-   bass is also somewhat suffer from completeness due to wavelength. High frequency suffers least.
-   coherence is also reduced if listening position too close to the speakers

Therefore, extreme nearfield and toe in is not a good idea, try experiment to see if my findings make sense. Too many things in the room distort the wavelengths and reflections, may result unpredictable listening experience. So, listening to piano and violin solo pieces is not suitable to test soundstage. Try broadway, you can sense the width and height.  

Not many will remember A Pan. Modern singing artists get too much influences from the west and hence they also mimick the singing techniques. This may attract some but not an old goat like me. Focus too much on technique loses the fluidity and rythmatic of the songs. I personally reject the influx of America African freewill mumbling techique like 周杰倫. As such, modern songs are not as melodious as before.

Pronouncation of Mandarn is different from the west, think of digital vs analog. Mandarin is pronounced a character by a character while major language like English, Spanish, Portuguese has a flow to it. So, "la yin" is different. Try opera, you will know what I mean.  

hongtaos,
Nice work on the speaker cabinet. Mine is aged and the woodwork is faling apart.

[ 本帖最后由 CHLim 于 2008-6-27 10:30 编辑 ]

MF10

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