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原帖由 MF10 于 2008-6-19 20:37 发表
您不必客气。我找老关买机器都是预订。回北京2个月应该足够了，先去听听感觉好再确认购买也不迟。反正你人在北京可以催他，老关蛮宽厚的，说明你的情况之后他会给你赶制。另外你得考虑电压的问题。 你现在的大功率功 ...

谢谢，我前一阵子一直在折腾我的PLINIUS电源部分。 刚开始是并联大量WIMA当退耦，因为高音太冲放弃了， 后来把自己加上的大电解也拆了，可能是牛够大的原因低音没有缩水，感觉整个线条比有大电解时更顺滑，最后决定保留一部分松下FC退耦，盖盖停工！推SL-6整体感觉还是不错的，最喜欢就是比一般机器多了一种宽松的氛围。。。。
折腾了一个星期得出了一个结论：如果按经济学角度看，摩机纯属浪费时间！好零件不一定出好声音（水平不是特高的情况下），不要因为手头上有补品就千方百计往找“借口”磨机，名机更要慎重磨，梢不留神就会把最珍贵的东西丢了（原设计者之风格）。

引用坛上一位朋友的话：

我不想摩也不懂摩，用摩机的时间赚钱，以后买更好的！我就不信人家几百个专业工程师的摩不过你一个业余的。。。。。

Martin2599

原帖由 MF10 于 2008-6-19 20:37 发表
您不必客气。我找老关买机器都是预订。回北京2个月应该足够了，先去听听感觉好再确认购买也不迟。反正你人在北京可以催他，老关蛮宽厚的，说明你的情况之后他会给你赶制。另外你得考虑电压的问题。 你现在的大功率功 ...

不好意思，德国ASR没玩过，网上也查不到什么资料？？

CHLim

Pardon me for not able to write in chinese. It is painstaking task for me.I have googled the Taiwanese Celestion forum but found that they are not as active. People have always have probIems finding suitable amp for Celestion S series.Too little power, SL6s sounded dull and boring, too much power, kill SL6s. I was shock that there is a review from Hong Kong suggested that SL6 - Audiolab 8000A is match in heaven, ya right! I bet that the combo could not manage 60% of Celestion potential. I am presently driven a pair of Celestion SL6s, (sigh, could not lay my hand on SL6) with a danish hi current Holfi Integra, 45 w. Surprise! It did not sound tube like but euphonic enough to sit down and listen for many hours. I was pairing the SL6s with 12w EL34 push pull triode, the mid is so melodious and at times overly so. The hi and low muddled. Poor separation and worst of all, not clean. Ok, I listened to ATC 50 driven by Ayre latest monoblock (can't remember the model) the other day. My Holfi - Celestion sounded close. Of course, the ATC - Ayre were much better and they should be. More airy, expansive, denser and relax. 没有半点颗粒, 空气感超卓My gripe is Holfi - Celestion lacks 空气感and 光泽. Therefore, I am not sure if German or French amp will be able to compensate the lacklustre. I am refering to Audio Refinement Complete or Atoll IN100 or Vincent? Or anyone tried chip based amp, gainclone and Tripath. Can you reckon guy tell which are the BETTER China made amp. I reckon Beijing's Kuan is among the better one. Appreciate if some can share some experience here. Regards

Martin2599

原帖由 CHLim 于 2008-6-20 10:25 发表
Pardon me for not able to write in chinese. It is painstaking task for me.I have googled the Taiwanese Celestion forum but found that they are not as active. People have always have probIems finding s ...

MF兄就是用老关的机器推SL6， 我也准备买2a3. 请问楼上哪里人？ 我在NZ

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Bro MF was using Kuan's MF10, unfortunately blow it many times as he frankly told.
2A3 sounds seductive but in my opinion it boils down to what type of music you play. If 2A3 is able to open up the sonic window then it is great. I would not bet on the bass out from the puny 2A3. Simple materials and do not require good bass, maybe. What will happen when you need some bass? Try play "The reunion of the Weaver", a wonderful cd. If you are not satisfied with your system, buy a new amp?
Or you have many other speaker options insteads, Pro Ac Response 1S is an excellent choice. I have searched for MF10 from the net but not avail. Even Kuan do not put MF10 in his webpage. I wonder why?
I particularly do not find SL6 aluminium dome to have the silky quality and extension, let alone the copper tweeter. Midrange is where 70-80% of the music falls, is the strength of Celestion. Get the midrange right. SL6 was designed around sold state amp most probably with Quad electronics, I might be wrong. Solid state era emerges during that time. So, chances of going wrong with solid state is lower.
Not sure if Plinius is a good match since you are from NZ. I was also thinking of Perreaux amp but was told a bit slow. Been to NZ once, love the "naturalness", pollution free. How I hope that my setup sound noise free. We are all fussy people when come to sound, don't you think so, Martin.

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zgl9922

我的系统 SL6铜膜 +安桥前后级【p306es+M504]+CD飞利浦850 这套系统咋样 请高手指点 小弟不胜感激 谢谢

MF10

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tou120815

想问一下,700和SL700是否是两种型号,100有没有SL系列!!!

MF10

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MF10

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zgl9922

原帖由 MF10 于 2008-6-21 19:43 发表

您好，先声明我不是高手，呵呵。我现在手头也有一对铜SL6,这是个有意思的讨论。philips850很超值的老机，和我的marantz94结构很相似，但声音比94更有弹性，是我一直喜欢的机器；铜膜SL6的素质不必多提；就是您的系 ...

谢谢 我现在很想把工放换换 但不知换啥 请高手指点

hongtaos

原帖由 zgl9922 于 2008-6-21 21:17 发表

谢谢 我现在很想把工放换换 但不知换啥 请高手指点

现在的声音怎么样？

hongtaos

原帖由 MF10 于 2008-6-8 13:29 发表
如此轻易的就区别出了相同搭配下不同音箱的区别，说明3 个问题，1.您对音乐有相当的敏感和认知，属于音乐细胞很浓的人。这是很关键的，玩HIFI如果缺乏乐感的话，是体会不出乐趣的，易流于器材发烧，并且也难以长久； ...

mf10兄过奖了，1，3点是有些沾不上边的，追逐挖掘搭配可能是没有边际的，不过2点，SL6的素质，这个喇叭是有玩过世的价值的，确实没有错。现在喜欢夜深人静的时候小音量下的音乐，小提琴，人声，弦乐，听起来味道好极，愿我们的生活也能像这个箱子流淌出来的音乐一样，平淡中不失华丽，激昂中不失皈依。

[ 本帖最后由 hongtaos 于 2008-6-21 22:01 编辑 ]

CHLim

Hi MF10,
Appreciate your contributions to this forum. You have single handedly make this forum alive. You must be No 1 supporter of Celestion.
My search on internet tells me Celestion SL6 was voiced with Quad 405. This gives you an insight of the amp selection. A warm but not lush sounding amp with reasonable drive to make Celestion sing.
Certainly, I think Audio Research will make Celestion sound marvelous. According to a review, at least 30w of tube amp will be ok. If 3w sound fine to you, like I say, limit your music genre. It is subjective. Everybody perceives differently.
Let share with us how do you position your speakers?  There is a lot of discussions on the height of stand. I could not find myself to agree. To be able to get good sound, get a stand that get the tweeter slightly above ear level. In my case 20" open frame stand due to nearfield listening. How many of you guys use the original Foundation stand? Secondly, pay attention to isolation. Celestion is so sensitive to isolation. The sonic performance will raise a notch if you place cones underneath the speakers. I could not believe until I listen for myself. Transparency, separation and soundstage and bass were improved.
That is all for now, I wil post my findings on 150W on Celestion once I lay my hands on them. Have a nice weekend everyone.
MF10, you can write in chinese. I am no problems with chinese.