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Cnet:VT25很好,但是 Kuro 仍然是第一(文章中标红)让我们期待VT30吧

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CES: Flagship Panasonic plasma makes black levels even more 'Infinite'  by David Katzmaier  
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The Panasonic TC-PVT30 series replaces our favorite TV of 2010.
(Credit:Panasonic)
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Editors' Note Jan 8, 2011: The Panasonic VT30 series was one of three nominees for CNET's Best of CES award in the TVs category.
LAS VEGAS--About this time last year we gave the Panasonic TC-PVT25 series of plasma TVs our Best in Show award as the most promising product atCES 2010. At the end of 2010 it still stood out as the overall best-performing HDTV we'd tested all year, and the second-best of all time (yes, the Kuro is still No. 1).
The VT25's successor, the TC-PVT30 series, looks like the favorite again in 2011.
Panasonic's chief VT30 enhancement for the new year is something the company calls an "Infinite Black Pro 2 Panel." As the press release puts it, the panel "raises the luminous efficiency while minimizing pre-discharge, resulting in even more subtle, delicate blacks, in both dark and bright environments than last year's Infinite Black Pro Panel provided."
The VT30 provides one other important step-up over the GT30: the capability to properly reproduce the cadence of 1080p/24 sources. We noticed some artifacts when we engaged that mode last year, however, so we're curious to see if they've been eliminated this year.

You get one pair of glasses free when you buy a VT30 3D TV.
(Credit:Panasonic)
Like the GT30, the VT30 is THX certified, although we don't know yet whether the certification applies to 3D sources as well. We also don't know whether any Panasonic plasmas offer 2D-to-3D conversion, although we assume they will. Unlike the GT30, Panasonic throws in a pair of shutter glasses for free with the VT30.
In terms of style, Panasonic has cleaned up its entire plasma line, thinning down the chassis and adding, in the VT30's vase, the one-sheet-of-glass front we liked so much on earlier Panasonics like the V10 series. The bezel might still be thicker and the panel a bit chunkier than those from Samsung and LG, but it's a step in the right direction.
The VT30 has the same Viera Connect Internet suite found on the ST30 series.
Pricing was not announced for the VT30 series, but it will be available sometime this spring.

Panasonic TC-PVT30 series features:

  • Plasma TV
  • 3D compatible
  • One pair of 3D glasses included
  • THX certification
  • Infinite Black Pro 2 panel
  • 1080p/24 playback mode
  • Short throw phosphors
  • 3D-compatible SD card slot
  • Viera Connect Internet suite
Panasonic TC-PVT30 series models:

  • Panasonic TC-P55VT30: 55 inch
  • Panasonic TC-P65VT30: 65 inch
Editor's take: I notice that the description of the new Pro 2 panel includes the words "subtle, delicate" but not "deeper" or "darker." I interpret that as a possible indication that the VT30 will not match the depth of the Kuro's blacks. But once again I'll have to wait until I see one in person, and directly compare it to the VT25 and the Kuro (not to mention the new Samsung D8000), to get the full story. Even after that, long-term testing will be in order to see how those blacks fare over time--both on Panasonic and on Samsung and LG plasmas. Finally, I find it strange that Panasonic is only offering two screen sizes, and wouldn't be surprised to see others appear later in the year.
Update Jan 7, 2010: I spoke with Panasonic's rep at the booth and found out a few more preliminary details about the new plasmas.
He couldn't say whether the actual black levels (MLL) would be improved (specs for the new panels were not finalized), but in any case mentioned that the VT30 would not use "Kuro tech" (see the comments below for more). He also couldn't speak to any change for 2011 in the designed-in MLL increase I found on the VT25 and other models. He did mention improving shadow detail, but didn't know whether the "floating blacks" of previous models (I saw them on the G series last year, although others have also reported them on the VT25) had been addressed. Finally, he didn't know whether the contouring artifacts I noticed in 1080p/24 mode on the VT25 had been removed on the VT30.
In terms of 3D he mentioned improvements related to crosstalk reduction, but said that the VT30 uses the same amber-tinted glasses, so major changes to color offsets were not made. He also described a new frame-interpolation processor for 3D that's designed to make the 24p video appear smoother--it has two settings, and can be disabled. All three series will get 2D to 3D conversion systems.
Other major improvements were made in the screen filters, which apparently preserve black levels in ambient light better without increasing the brightness of reflections (all of the new 3D series have better filters, but the VT30's are darker.) He confirmed that the ST30 and GT30 have the same panel, and that THX is the only real picture quality difference between them.
The rep also stressed that he hadn't been fully briefed on all of the differences in the new plasmas, so this information is, as usual, subject to change.

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发表于 2011-1-25 17:39 | 显示全部楼层
根据我蹩脚的英语,我认为CNET编辑的意思是说去年他们很满意VT25,那机器比KURO差点......没把VT30还KURO比较吧?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-25 17:46 | 显示全部楼层
the overall best-performing HDTV we'd tested all year, and the second-best of all time (yes, the Kuro is still No. 1).
这是我们全年测试的性能最好的HDTV,同时也是史上第二好的,是的Kuro系列任然是NO.1
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发表于 2011-1-25 17:48 | 显示全部楼层
问题是那句接的是前面所说的VT25..........而且CNET还没测试VT30呢............

At the end of 2010 it still stood out as the overall best-performing HDTV we'd tested all year, and the second-best of all time (yes, the Kuro is still No. 1).”

你引用那句的前提是 “2010年底”........2010年底CES2011还没召开,VT30还没发布,CNET不可能拿到VT30进行测试(事实是一直到现在CNET都只是在CES2011上见过两眼VT30),CNET的详细测试至少要等到VT30上市才有戏


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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-25 17:48 | 显示全部楼层
买了先锋的同学看了估计又要乐翻天了,都已经三年了快 先锋还是那么牛逼 当然这只是纯粹的2D画质,3D互联网等诸多功能08年的电视还是和现在不能比的
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-25 17:52 | 显示全部楼层
哈哈 激动了 已经改过来了
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发表于 2011-1-25 17:53 | 显示全部楼层
先锋都死了那么多年了,算个鸟!
松下才是全球第一。
  用松下,不敢说包治百病,至少能强身壮体!
你永远不能战胜一个纯BC,因为他会把你的智商拉到跟他个水平,然后用丰富的经验打败你~
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-25 17:59 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 枪手脑残 于 2011-1-25 17:53 发表
先锋都死了那么多年了,算个鸟!
松下才是全球第一。
  用松下,不敢说包治百病,至少能强身壮体!


你是不是电视机看久了辐射脑残了?

我只转感兴趣的文章,管他什么松下先锋等离子液晶的。。。真正牛逼的都不在国内买。你们争来争去有什么意思。买的也都是阉割货。这一点上三星还算厚道
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松下50VT20价格是先锋的三分之一都不到  画质能够排到历史第二难道还不值得赞扬?
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松下应该把给卡梅隆拍摄《阿凡达》做监视器的等离子拿出来   那才是真正的旗舰
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-25 18:46 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 栗子大梨子 于 2011-1-25 18:36 发表
松下50VT20价格是先锋的三分之一都不到  画质能够排到历史第二难道还不值得赞扬?


技术总是在不断进步的,特别是电子产品。如果11年你还不能用三分之一的价格买到和08年顶级配置的同样好的CPU那才叫奇怪呢。手机啊,数码相机都是如此为什么电视机就要例外?
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原帖由 lsw7314 于 2011-1-25 18:46 发表


技术总是在不断进步的,特别是电子产品。如果11年你还不能用三分之一的价格买到和08年顶级配置的同样好的CPU那才叫奇怪呢。手机啊,数码相机都是如此为什么电视机就要例外?
差不多,i5 760效能和当年qx9770相当。。。
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原帖由 lsw7314 于 2011-1-25 18:46 发表


技术总是在不断进步的,特别是电子产品。如果11年你还不能用三分之一的价格买到和08年顶级配置的同样好的CPU那才叫奇怪呢。手机啊,数码相机都是如此为什么电视机就要例外?


技术进步表现在两个方面......一是性能的绝对加强,另一个就是同样性能价格降低...........

你就这么肯定三星没动刀子?你对比过三星中国的机器和三星韩国本土的机器么.........
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发表于 2011-1-25 19:49 | 显示全部楼层
超越kuro是时间问题,但是松下作为一家企业是要盈利的,不是做艺术品,否则可以立马造出比KURO更好的机器来,但是没多少人买得起,曲高和寡,走上先锋老路。
所以他们只会把掌握的技术一点点用进去,每年推出一款略微升级的,同时研发新技术,保证年年有余
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发表于 2011-1-25 19:51 | 显示全部楼层
不过还是要向先锋致敬,至少在相当长的时间树立了一个标杆
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