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骇客帝国的多层解释 -- 耶教的精神,城市奴隶与命运的对抗

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-26 00:42 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 henry余 于 2010-10-24 01:48 发表



之前写的时候,的确觉得”人定胜天“这个概念正好在这里(创世纪与matrix)都是错的,是犹太人的心高气傲的表现,但有共通的:

洪水是因为上帝觉得需要”纯化“ 人类,要Noah建了方舟。

语言与分散各地, ...



我估沃卓斯基的Architect是上帝,是他俩的作为太像了。

由兔mm关于Babel塔的启发,上帝不如意,就有毁灭、破坏的行为(需要接受心理辅导,咳咳......希望基督徒、犹太教徒对这个说法莫怪):

上帝、全知全能的上帝,觉得地球人充满罪恶,后悔制造人类,所以要Noah制造方舟,选取优秀“种子”保护,然后用大洪水杀绝地球生物,推倒重来。

觉得犹太人建造通天Babel塔,企图与(高高在上的)上帝平等生活,冒犯上帝权威,于是行政干预:扰乱语言,强逼迁徙各地。





看看Architect:觉得Matrix不完美,有扰乱秩序(Matrix)的族群形成Zion,于是要毁灭Zion,而且不是一次而是要第6次毁灭。

抛下难题,陷Neo于不义:强逼Neo选择Trinity与Zion的生存。




他们俩思路何其相似?
他们玩弄生命于股掌之间,自命高于所有生物,掌控、主宰地球生命的去留。。。。。而且毫无掩饰的记录在案(希伯来圣经),警示世人!


如果是普通人类,按现行法律--- 国际公认的法律标准---那是犯罪行为,......这个说法冒犯耶教犹太教,太过离经背道,非常抱歉 --- 但这是事实,被犹太人、耶教的欧洲人奉为神圣行为......。



是否太讽刺?[s:101]








而我认为,上帝,是犹太民族文化的投射 --- “上帝”这个概念、他的行为,都代表犹太人的世界观

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发表于 2010-10-26 10:51 | 显示全部楼层
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lz不妨再讲讲佛面的涵义~
之前讲的色相很有意思~

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早睡早起身体好~
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[s:14] 很深奥
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LZ对上帝和圣经的理解有很大的偏差。。。。。
如果有一天我变成了流氓,请告诉别人,我也纯洁过........
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-26 16:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 tte | jay.lee 于 2010-10-26 12:40 发表
LZ对上帝和圣经的理解有很大的偏差。。。。。



谢谢法帖讨论。

请说理由,衷心倾听,很想知道。。。。谢谢!
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原帖由 MMRABBIT 于 2010-10-26 10:51 发表
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lz不妨再讲讲佛面的涵义~
之前讲的色相很有意思~


佛面的涵义,有点大,不太敢说,我只看过一部金刚经,也不敢说明白,只能说有个概念。你如果有具体的情节,倒是可以说说。


呵呵,这里信佛的高人很多。

Matrix里面有关佛理的部分,我感应不到太多(可能不知道)




有一点蛮特别的:Zion在耶教里面是圣地(一个山) ,但导演却把它放在很深的地底。

而且这个圣地里面住的,都是衣衫兰搂的“真实世界”的“真实”的人、资源匮乏的居民。


在佛、在耶教,地底不是地狱吗?
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旧约中除了记录了人类因为种种罪行而被上帝遗弃和惩罚之外,也记录了哪些行为是被上帝所喜悦和赞许的。而新约中天父更是派自己唯一的儿子耶稣基督道成肉身做中保,把人类的罪都钉在十字架上,使有罪的人得到救赎。圣经是要让人认识到自己的罪以及上帝对人的爱,从而因信称义得救赎。
看LZ的帖子觉得LZ只说上帝对人类的惩罚,而对人类自身的罪只字不提,所以才觉得LZ对上帝和圣经的理解有很大的偏差。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-27 14:14 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 tte | jay.lee 于 2010-10-27 10:59 发表
旧约中除了记录了人类因为种种罪行而被上帝遗弃和惩罚之外,也记录了哪些行为是被上帝所喜悦和赞许的。而新约中天父更是派自己唯一的儿子耶稣基督道成肉身做中保,把人类的罪都钉在十字架上,使有罪的人得到救赎。圣 ...



Oh,谢谢lee兄的资料,更谢谢提点我的偏执。对的,不应该只说上帝的问题。

人类,对的,人类是当然有sin的。

中文的罪,似乎包含在sin里面,似乎比起“罪”, sin有更多的意思,有看过“原罪”的说法的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-28 00:38 | 显示全部楼层
lee兄提到人类的过失,我们看看导演如何看The One 的“错失”?


怎么一步步地走进欲望的网,不能自拔。


在Zion的情欲派对时,Neo与Trinity同时沉醉于爱
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但你看,zion是否另一个Matrix?(矩阵)
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但议员尝试劝Neo:控制是各方利益的均衡
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但Oracle 鼓动Neo:要与控制(control)对抗。。。。。
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撒旦果然能力与上帝对等。。。。



之前,议员哈曼尝试规劝Neo,不要鲁莽,但neo觉得是老人症候群。

我不知道你为什么扮演超人
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最好能够在闯祸之前,检讨检讨
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-10-28 12:10 | 显示全部楼层
连环图里面,我说的太多,把原来Harmann与Neo的对白翻译下(Harmann意图提醒Neo:我们不懂的太多,你做之前,需要想想--- 你为什么要对坑,达到什么目的,代价是什么。不要为了Make a point证明你的观点而鲁莽行事。)





Councillor Hamann: 一起聊聊Care for some company?

Neo: 你好,议员Councillor Hamann.

Councillor Hamann: 我不想占用你独处的时间I don't want to intrude if you prefer to be alone.

Neo: 没事,也想跟人聊聊的No, I could probably use some company.

Councillor Hamann: 那敢情好。这个晚上很平静,看来每个人都睡得很安稳Good, so could I. It's nice tonight. Very calm. Feels like everyone's sleeping very peacefully.

Neo: 不是每个人呐Not everyone.

Councillor Hamann: 我不爱睡眠,不能睡超过几个小时。估计我有11年在追求梦境。我要追回浪费在追梦的时间。你呢?I hate sleeping. I never sleep more than a few hours. I figure I slept the first 11 years of my life, now I'm up for it. What about you? (按:Morpheus=掌梦之神)

Neo: 我只是最近睡得不好(Trinity死亡的梦太多)I just haven't been able to sleep much.

Councillor Hamann: 那是个好征兆It's a good sign.

Neo: 怎么说Of what?

Councillor Hamann: 因为证明,你仍然是有血有肉的人类(按:你还不是the one --- 超越人性的救世主)That you are, in fact, still human.
你到过机器层么?晚上我喜欢在那儿溜沓。那儿常常令我慨叹。去看看?Have you ever been to the engineering level? I love to walk there at night, it's quite amang. Would you like to see it?

Neo: 好呀Sure.

Councillor Hamann:
几乎没人到这儿来,除非出现故障。人类就是这样 --- 不出状况,没人管!
Almost no one comes down here, unless, of course, there's a problem. That's how it is with people - nobody cares how it works as long as it works. (按:宁可沉醉于像刚才的狂欢派对)
我喜欢来这里。这儿可以提醒我:这个城市的生存有赖这些机器(按:令城市有秩序、有可靠供应链的机制不过同时又另外一些机器威胁我们的生存。矛盾又统一----- 机器,既有能力令我们生,也可以令我们死。I like it down here. I like to be reminded this city survives because of these machines. These machines are keeping us alive, while other machines are coming to kill us. Interesting, isn't it? Power to give life, and the power to end it.

Neo: 我们也有这个能力呀We have the same power.

Councillor Hamann: 我估计我们有。。。这个能力。但到这儿看,对比在Matrix那些哺育着机器的人类,我们无疑是反过来,机器在哺育着我们。 (按:Matrix是机器依赖人类供应能源。Zion是人类依赖机器供应能源) I suppose we do, but down here sometimes I think about all those people still plugged into the Matrix and when I look at these machines, I.. I can't help thinking that in a way, we are plugged into them.

Neo: 但,我们控制它们,它们不会控制我们But we control these machines, they don't control us.

Councillor Hamann: 呵呵,当然当然,他们怎能控制我们?我真的想歪了。 但......
但.....控制,到底是什么概念?Of course not, how could they? The idea's pure nonsense, but... it does make one wonder just... what is control?

Neo: 我们要的话,马上可以关掉机器(按:Neo是多么直观的想法)If we wanted, we could shut these machines down.
Councillor Hamann: 呵呵,当然当然......关掉......关掉.....呵呵。这就叫控制了嘛,嗯。我们愿意的话,更可以砸掉它们成为碎片......虽然砸掉后的要接受没灯没热没空气的后果。Of course... that's it. You hit it! That's control, isn't it? If we wanted, we could smash them to bits. Although if we did, we'd have to consider what would happen to our lights, our heat, our air.

Neo: 那么,人与机器是互相需要,你是这个观点吧,议员?So we need machines and they need us. Is that your point, Councillor?

Councillor Hamann: 没有观点,没有。到我的年纪,已经不惮烦去表达什么观点不观点喽。没有观点的。No, no point. Old men like me don't bother with points. There's no point.

Neo: 所以,在议会里面,都没有年轻人?Is that why there are no young men on the Council?

Councillor Hamann: 噢,好观点Good point.

Neo: 你就直接说你的心事嘛?Why don't you tell me what's on your mind, Councillor?

Councillor Hamann: 这个世界太多的东西我们是不明白的,你看这个机器,跟回收废水有关。我,一点都不知道它用什么方法回收,但,我肯定知道我们为什么要回收。
同样,我不知到你用什么方法解救Matrix的人,而且你一定有个好理由要解救他们.....

我只是希望在出状况之前,我们能够理解你---为什么要解救他们   There is so much in this world that I do not understand. See that machine? It has something to do with recycling our water supply. I have absolutely no idea how it works. But I do understand the reason for it to work. I have absolutely no idea how you are able to do some of the things you do, but I believe there's a reason for that as well. I only hope we understand that reason before it's too late.





呵呵,这段对白,是否很重要!之后见Oracle,也有“原因(reason)”的讨论

我们的the one,Neo,他知道为什么要解救Matrix的人么?从matrix解救到Zion --- 另一个矩阵,有图为证 --- 除了包装衣服习惯不同,还有什么?还不是活着吗?

像Cypher,不是很后悔离开Matrix的花花世界、享受舒服的人生么?你是解救他过来?他需要解救吗?



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harmann议员的说词,是唯一在Matrix3集里面出现和谐共存的理念。我认为他(可是沃卓斯基的想法?)能够更宏观的、整体看待社会、宇宙的整体运作机理:

存在的就是合理!


当然,呵呵,反对力量的存在,也是合理:
Neo当时,如日中天,能力超人,爱情、事业、崇拜者,无一或缺,前面等着他的是更多、更高的目标,即使这些目标出现的原因不甚了了、即使Oracle也提过“为什么(the reason why)他是不会犹豫的。

所谓的初生之犊也!

但Trinity的梦,又是个亢龙有悔之象,拥有所有若失去所爱又如何?





Harmann说完,导演没有交代Neo的回应......



我们看看这个多元Matrix之母(architect语)、Architect的对立面 --- Oracle是如何鼓励、引导、坚定Neo作抗争(连哄带吓):

The Oracle: 哎,来来来,我不会咬你。来我跟前让我好好看看你。好家伙,看你!还好吧?感觉如何 Well, come on. I ain't gonna bite ya. Come around here, and let me have a look at ya. My goodness, look at you! You turned out all right, didn't you? How do you feel?
Neo: 我,嗯....I, uh...

The Oracle: 我知道你睡的不好,待会说这个。这次,来,坐在我边上吧?I know you're not sleeping. We'll get to that. Why don't you come and have a sit this time?

Neo: 我还是站着吧Maybe I'll stand.

The Oracle: 随便你啦Well, suit yourself.

Neo: 我又想坐下来了I felt like sitting.

The Oracle: 我就说嘛。先说清楚最表面肤浅的事情吧 I know. So. Let's get the obvious stuff out of the way.

Neo: 你不是人类,是么?You're not human, are you?

The Oracle: 赫,这个想误会都很困难Well it's tough to get any more obvious than that.

Neo: 一定要我估,那,你是来自机器世界的程式。 Seraf他也是。If I had to guess, I'd say you're a program from the machine world. So is he.


The Oracle: 猜得不错So far, so good.

Neo: 真的话,你就是这个机制的一部分,参与制定规范,控制人类But if that's true, that can mean you are a part of this system, another kind of control.

The Oracle: 呵,继续说下去Keep going.

Neo: 那么,明显的,我就需要问--- 我怎能相信你呢?I suppose the most obvious question is, how can I trust you?

The Oracle: 中了!剪不断理还乱。坏的是你没法知道我是否来帮你。所以你得自己考量。你得明智的决定:  我说的建议,能否接受。.....要糖么?(伊甸园的苹果?)Bingo! It is a pickle, no doubt about it. The bad news is there's no way if you can really know whether I'm here to help you or not. So it's really up to you. You javake up your own damn mind to either accept what I'm going to tell you, or reject it. Candy?


Neo: 你已知道我会接受这个么?D'you already know if I'm going to take it?

The Oracle: 否则我咋做占卜。Wouldn't be much of an Oracle if I didn't.

Neo: 但你若早知我的选择,我怎么有选择权?But if you already know, how can I make a choice?

The Oracle: 因为你来,不是来作选择,你早就选定了。你来,是找理由来支持你的选择。.......我以为你来之前就懂得这个道理。Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it. I thought you'd have figured that out by now.(按:哎,多少时候我们事先有了决定,才堆切理由、找人支持这个决定.......呵呵,因为自己也拿不准理由啊)

Neo: 你为何出现Why are you here?

The Oracle: 跟你的理由一样......我喜欢糖果。Same reason....... I love candy.

Neo: 但为何帮我们?But why help us?

The Oracle: 我们在这儿,为的是完成我们的使命。Neo,我只对一个事情有兴趣 --- 未来。 信我吧,我知道:唯一能达到目标的方法,就是你、我团结起来We're all here to do what we're all here to do. I'm interested in one thing, Neo, the future. And believe me, I know - the only way to get there is together.

Neo: 有其他程序像你(鼓动抗争)的么?Are there other programs like you?

The Oracle: 哦,不是像我....,但你看这些雀鸟?程序规范他们的,树呀风呀日落日出呀都有。到处都是规矩程序。做得好的程序不会干扰生活,隐在后台工作,你不会发现他们。但做得不好的呢,你会常常被他烦扰。。 Oh, well, not like me. But... Look, see those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, the sunrise, and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing their job, doing what they were meant to do, are invisible. You'd never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, we hear about them all the time.

Neo: 没有听过不好的程序I've never heard of them.

The Oracle: Of course you have. Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens is the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.

Neo: 互相敌对的程式,怎么会呢?Programs hacking programs. Why?

The Oracle: They have their reasons, but usually a program chooses exile when it faces deletion.
Neo: And why would a program be deleted?
The Oracle: Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it - happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to The Source.
Neo: The machine mainframe?

The Oracle: 源头,对的回到源头。每个The one都会面临命运终结,然后就会回到源头source。在你的梦想里已经见过,是么?充满光明的门? Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of The One ends. You've seen it, in your dreams, haven't you? The door made of light? (按:呵呵,这个口吻,跟路边的占卜术士一样:开放性问题,怎么回答都可以自圆其说。开始向Neo散播死亡阴影---一个所有人都害怕的问题。)

Neo: [点头nods]

The Oracle: 你通过这个光明的门,出现什么?What happens when you go through the door?

Neo: 我看见Trinity,她出事了,出坏事。她不断的往下掉,我就惊醒了I see Trinity, and something happens, something bad. She starts to fall, and then I wake up.

The Oracle: 你见她死亡?Do you see her die?(再加深Neo的恐惧)

Neo: 没有No.

The Oracle: 你已经有预示能力了,超越时空,看到结局You have the sight now, Neo. You are looking at the world without time.

Neo: 我咋不知道她的结局?Then why can't I see what happens to her?

The Oracle: 不能理解的选择,我们不能预料后果We can never see past the choices we don't understand.(凭直觉作的选择、没有深思熟虑的选择,如何知道后果呢?Harmann不是催促Neo分析自己、理解自己的动机reason吗?)


Neo: 你是说我要选择Trinity的生死?Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?

The Oracle: 不是,你已经有所选择。你现在必须要了解作这个决定的动机No. You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

Neo: 不可以,我不能做这个选择,也不想了解。No, I can't do that. I won't.

The Oracle: 你一定要面对 You have to.

Neo: 为什么?Why?

The Oracle: 因为你是The One  Because you're The One.(按:因为你被选中做神,所以你要肩负这个责任?)

Neo: 我不行又咋了?我会失败的。 What if I can't? What happens if I fail?

The Oracle: 那,Zion就会毁灭。...........时间够了。Neo,你听好了,你到Source(源头)就可以拯救Zion。但得先找到开门的钥匙人。Then Zion will fall. Our time is up. Listen to me, Neo. You can save Zion if you reach The Source, but to do that you will need the Keymaker.(按:入世未深的Noe方寸大乱,Oracle目的已达)

Neo: 钥匙人?The Keymaker?

The Oracle: ........问Merovingian抢钥匙人。Yes, he disappeared some time ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He's being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

Neo: 他要什么?What does he want?

The Oracle: 当然是更多的权力What do all men with power want? More power.

The Oracle: 准时到达才有机会成功 Be there, at that exact time, and you will have a chance.

Seraph: 6翼天使:我们要走啦 We must go.

The Oracle: 每次见你都是坏消息,抱歉,真的抱歉!咋都好,我相信你的能力,小伙子!Seems like every time we meet I've got nothing but bad news. I'm sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it's worth, you've made a believer out of me. Good luck, kiddo.(呵呵,再打打气,坚定Neo的信心)



至此,Neo已经没有选择,由恐惧带来的欲望狂涨,内心左冲右突 --- 表现在与无数的Smith群殴---与自己的阴暗面,做激烈的思想斗争。

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听到Oracle说的,Neo与Trinity都面临死亡,如日中天的Neo内心纷乱,心魔諏起......

失去所爱,受不了......

面对死亡的心魔:秦始皇、武则天。。。。面对困难无畏的英雄,死亡这一关........过不了。


Orale要他效法孙悟空,到Source删掉生死册,删掉自己、Trinity、Zion的生死册。

Source有这个权力,我要对付它?!





导演把这个纷乱变成画面--- 多伟大的表达手法!!!






Smith出现......

这段对白不长,重点更不长,但是含义深长

而smith就是Neo自己:


删掉smith出场的自我介绍,他(导演)要告诉我们的就是:



Smith: 我们的存在不是因为我们有自由,我们的存在是因为我们没有自由......
你我都知道,没有目的,我们都不会存在    Thank you. But as you well know,appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we'rehere. We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free.There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose - because as we both know,without purpose, we would not exist.


(按:英语的purpose有如下意思:
作名词:目的, 意图, 用途, 效果, 决心, 意志......
作动词:打算, 企图, 决心......)




Smith:


有了目的,所以创造了我们(的对立)
你有了目,我们才会联接一起,把我们拉在一块;
这个目带引着我们,推动着我们,规范着我们,
为追求这个目,令我们盲目




Smith 2: It is purpose that created us,
Smith 3: Purpose that connects us,
Smith 4: Purpose that pulls us,
Smith 5: That guides us,
Smith 6: That drives us,
Smith 7: It is purpose that defines,
Smith 8: Purpose that binds us.
Smith: We're here because of you, MisterAnderson, we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose.
Trinity: What's happening to him?
Link: I don't know.
Smith: Yes, that's it, it'll be over soon.


最后,Neo没法消灭smith,没法消灭内心的纷乱,只能“一飞了之”,回到飞船(梦乡)。

这是他到此为止,唯一的一次不能获胜:战胜不了自己的心魔。

九五之尊 ----  飞龙在天的Neo,到此......亢龙有悔?






对了,开个玩笑:我们又可以说Matrix是易经故事,呵呵......是么?

从开始的混沌无用--- 上班开小差的小混混 --- 潜龙勿用

到了morpheus(梦)的Nebuchadnezzar(空中花园) --- 见龙在田,利见大人(morpheus?)

到技击训练 --- 君子终日乾乾,夕惕若,厉无咎(勤练功?)

到拯救Morpheus(梦想)拯救trinity --- 或跃在渊,无咎

到效法超人,拯救世人,所向披靡 ---- 飞龙在天,利见大人(Oracle?)

到面临爱与生命的挫折 ----- 亢龙有悔

这个亢龙,没有思考Harmann的知所进退的规劝,一直亢到Trinity的死亡,有悔。。。。。










何时是:见群龙无首? 吉?

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这个要顶!Matrix,天朝河蟹社会的终极形态!
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原帖由 emissions 于 2010-10-29 22:06 发表
这个要顶!Matrix,天朝河蟹社会的终极形态!



emissions,谢谢、感谢你的支持!

愿意思考这些问题,有意思......


这个电影,有关Neo的对白不太多,但信息量太多,导演有意砍掉具体的字眼,不要说这些对白,就是看、读,都不是容易理解,这里的解释,只是从单一的层面先说,作为一个初步的框架。

因为这些对白,用哲学角度写。
(我理解的哲学定义,是源于人类生活经验又高于生活经验的宇宙原则。但是网上可以看到各种东西方派别的说法,没有公认的“哲学”定义)

据说,导演喜欢叔本华.......。这个电影,我觉得导演希望有哲学上的突破(?)。



继续看有Neo出场的对白:

打不过无数的Smith,飞走,回到飞船:---
Trinity: Are you all right?
Morpheus: It was Smith.
Neo: Yes.
Morpheus: Now there's more than one of him.
Neo: A lot more.
Link: How's that possible?
Neo: I don't know - somehow he's found away to copy himself.
Morpheus: Is that what he was doing to you?
Neo: I don't know what he was doing, but Iknow what it felt like.
Trinity: What?
Neo: 我感到回到我死亡的走廊,感觉到死亡 Felt like I was back in that hallway.Felt like dying.
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为了更改“生死册”,Neo,Morpheus与 Trinity,问Merovingian 要钥匙人(Keymaker)
Merovingian是欧洲人的权利象征,而权利与欲望是孪生子,2而1, 1而2的共同体 --- 食欲、色欲、权利欲......种种、种种,you name it。而欲望大多数由色相味等外相引起的。




由外相吸引,产生欲望,到争取、掌控权力,
这是人类共有的基因,这也是Trinity啊.........



地点:欲望餐厅


Merovingian: 啊..... The One,梦中的Morpheus,还有三位一体Trinity。......荣幸之至。请坐,我妻子Persephone。来,满足一下欲望:吃、喝点什么? 色、相、味都认真炮制,包装优雅。。    Aha, here he is at last. Neo, the One himself, right? And the legendary Morpheus. And Trinity of course, si belle qu'elle me fait souffrir. [Trans: so beautiful she makes me suffer.] I have heard so much, you honour me. Please, sit, join us. This is my wife, Persephone. Something to eat? Drink? Hmm... of course, such things are contrivances like so much here. For the sake of appearances.

Neo: 不了,谢谢。No, thank you.

Merovingian: 是呀,哪有时间,谁有时间?但,如果不争取时间,我们又如何拥有时间?雪脱厚比瑞1959,上乘年份......最好的是法国酒,最好的是法语,@#$%^^&   2B. .......... Yes, of course, who has time? Who has time? But then if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time? Château Haut-Brion 1959, magnificent wine, I love French wine, like I love the French language. I have sampled every language, French is my favourite - fantastic language, especially to curse with. Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'encul?de ta mère! [Trans: Name of God of whore of brothel of shit of filth of jerk of fucking your mother up the ass.] You see, it's like wiping your arse with silk, I love it.



Morpheus: 你知道我们的来意。You know why we are here.



Merovingian: ................我知,但是,你真的知道你自己的来意吗? Hmph... I am a trafficker ofinformation, I know everything I can. The question is, do you know why you arehere?


Morpheus: 我们要找钥匙人 We are looking for the Keymaker.


Merovingian: 噢,当然.......这个不是原因,这个不是来意。钥匙人.......不是终极的目的,是到达目的的手段,你们有什么目的
Oh yes, it is true. TheKeymaker, of course. But this is not a reason, this is not a `why.' TheKeymaker himself, his very nature, is means, it is not an end, and so, to lookfor him is to be looking for a means to do... what?


Neo: 你知道答案的  You know the answer to that question.
Merovingian: 但你知道答案么?你们自以为知道,但其实不知道。你们只是依别人的指示做......有因就有果: 作用与反作用。动机与结果。
But do you? You think you dobut you do not. You are here because you were sent here, you were told to comehere and you obeyed. [Laughs] It is, of course, the way of all things. You see,there is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth:causality. Action. Reaction. Cause and effect.


Morpheus: 所有事都由选择开始
Everything begins with choice.


Merovingian:  错了,选择是假象,有权力的人制造的假象。 那个女人的吃甜品反应是我编程的,她不知道反应的原因.........原因是什么?原因马上就无人管、不重要,有(色相的)好感受就行。..............在荼毒的色相味外表诱惑下,我们完全失控。.......................永远做感觉的奴隶。知道原因、真正的原因,你才有力量、权力。.............不打紧,你们这么服从,回去告诉巫婆,她活够了。我有事,再见!No. Wrong. Choice is anillusion, created between those with power, and those without. Look there, atthat woman. My God, just look at her. Affecting everyone around her, soobvious, so bourgeois, so boring. But wait... Watch - you see, I have sent herdessert, a very special dessert. I wrote it myself. It starts so simply, eachline of the program creating a new effect, just like poetry. First, a rush...heat... her heart flutters. You can see it, Neo, yes? She does not understandwhy - is it the wine? No. What is it then, what is the reason? And soon it doesnot matter, soon the why and the reason are gone, and all that matters is thefeeling itself. This is the nature of the universe. We struggle against it, wefight to deny it, but it is of course pretense, it is a lie. Beneath our poisedappearance, the truth is we are completely out of control. Causality. There isno escape from it, we are forever slaves to it. Our only hope, our only peaceis to understand it, to understand the `why.' `Why' is what separates us fromthem, you from me. `Why' is the only real social power, without it you arepowerless. And this is how you come to me, without `why,' without power.Another link in the chain. But fear not, since I have seen how good you are atfollowing orders, I will tell you what to do next. Run back, and give thefortune teller this message: Her time is almost up. Now I have some realbusiness to do, I will say adieu and goodbye.


Neo: 我跟你没完的This isn't over.


Merovingian: 完事了:钥匙人是我的,没有理由要给你,没门·Oh yes, it is. The Keymaker ismine and I see no reason why I should give him up. No reason at all.


Persephone: Where are you going?
Merovingian: Please, ma chérie, I've toldyou, we are all victims of causality. I drink too much wine, I must take apiss. Cause and effect. Au revoir [Trans: Goodbye].






两个要点,一个中心:


你们给外相蒙蔽

你们不知到后果,也不知道原因,听命行事  




你们没权问我要钥匙人。
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