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何庆华--DAC - Compass (指南针)DAC+耳机放大器+前级

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准备上何庆华dac19mk3或dac3se。
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晕死,这二天都是广告。板主都做什么去了。
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发表于 2009-4-21 08:11 | 显示全部楼层
何庆华的东东绝对比王×平的有水平!![s:97]
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-21 09:06 | 显示全部楼层
权威的Compass评论   Post By:2009-4-20 18:08:42

  
Zanth : Head Fi 上的 Moderator, 相当于版主, 主要使用家用系统但有15年聆听耳机经历,听过无数耳放。



Oh it isn't just entering it, it is firmly seated there. My point was mo-re that there are better things out there and I don't want people reading this thread to think that this unit is the best sounding thing out there. It isn't, but one has to spend A LOT MO-RE to better it. By a lot mo-re I mean 5x at least fo-r the gear I've experience with. Maybe there are other giant killers out there that I haven't heard but at $258 bucks one is getting an amp that easily competes with other solid state amps in the 800-1500 range and has a DAC that is as good as many a $1000 CD player I've heard.



What this means is that at under $300 one is able to take a serious bite out of hi-fi without breaking the bank. Will the price go up in the future? I expect it to. Would it be wo-rth $1000? On sound alone yes. I believe so. Would it be wo-rth $1500? Again, on sound alone yes because one is getting an excellent DAC and an excellent headphone amp. Once you break into the $1500 range other options become interesting too, but under $1000 I haven't heard any product that competes with it (all parts engaged).





This was the main reason I posted what I did. Once upon a time I hadn't heard anything and I depended on online reviews and posts from folks who owned o-r who had heard gear I was interested in. Now the shoe is on the other foot sometimes (there is still plenty I want to hear and won't ever be able to without buying first). Fo-r this reason I think it is honest fo-r people who own o-r have heard gear to lay it out on the table in a way that people buying without hearing first can feel they understand fully what they are getting.



Two very different things strike me about this hobby and audio in general.



1) the very best usually costs the most



2) the very best shouldn't cost the same as the best from last year.



What do I mean by this? Well the first is easy, the best really does cost the most, o-r usually does. Why? Not necessarily because the technology itself costs a lot but because the very best is able to be literally cost no object using rare o-r esoteric materials and creating products to insane tolerances (I'm thinking Bolder equipment of EMM Labs fo-r instance) o-r the flip-side where a long lost art is really nearly quite lost and it takes true artisans wo-rking by hand to carve out absolute gems (I'm thinking Koetsu cartridges and some handmade German wooden tonearms).



Yet, in many ways, technology is getting cheaper, we are advancing and costs should be coming down. That means that if we do away with exotic materials and ridiculous precision and tolerances (o-r can avoid highly delicate items that require being handmade by a loan man on the side of a mountain twice a year when the moonlight hits just right...) then the very best in audio should be easily replicated on the cheap.



I often recall to mind a comment made by markl a few years ago. I'm paraphrasing but it was something to the effect of: we are living in the golden age of headphones and although right now the R10's are the best (he thought so at the time) they cost an eno-rmous amount of money (3.5k o-r so) and they shouldn't cost that much to sound that good. In fact, the very best in a few years, maybe a decade should cost $500.




You know what? He was right then and he is right now. The very best should cost a lot less than the best of yesteryear, unless we use rare materials o-r some new creation warranting gobs of R&D really has changed the face of the hobby. But, since most of the very best stuff is based on designs that are oh...about 100 years old (that goes fo-r turn tables, speakers, tube amps etc) then one can hope that a $1000 turntable from today is at least on par with a $10k turntable from 1980. With amps it should be even easier and now with DACs too...the technology is mature and most of the wo-rk has been reduced to a single component packaged as a single chip! This means a good amount of the cost is swapped over to the power supply sections of amps and dacs (and CD players) because everything else is quite standard. Beefing up the power is what separates quite a bit of low-fi from mid-fi from the high-end.



So with the Compass, we have a realwo-rld product that demonstrates this trickle down effect. We see a product that has as wonderful discreet amp and a well laid out DAC section that when wo-rked together provides the user with an outrageous value with true hi-fi sound. Why doesn't it cost $1500 then? Well, it could if it were made by other manufacturers who sell stuff nearly exclusively to Head-fiers. It might actually cost mo-re than $1500. Regardless, at $258 it is just over the top value fo-r the dollar. Yes I realize this is an intro price but again, even it it doubled. At $500-600 it would still be a bargain based on the competition. This is key. A user seasoned o-r wet behind the ears can come on in, grab a unit and walk away shaking their head at what this thing can do. It makes one think what goes into the cost of other products.



Presentation? (exotic woods o-r panelling, different metals, chrome etc)



Promotion? There are steep costs there!



Distribution/Dealer markup? Definitely, there is no way a product that goes through sto-re-fronts online o-r B&M can compete with direct market sales.



Domestic labour vs. international labour? Absolutely but don't be surprised when you find out your fancy Mark Levinson at 25k o-r your new Cary was also made overseas and merely "assembled" domestically (which usually means placed in a box).



All these things need to be taken into consideration when making a purchase true, but no doubt, regardless of all of this, what is possible at a given price becomes amazing when one sees and hears the stuff in real life.





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何庆华的东东绝对比王×平的有水平!! [s:6]

说说那个王什么的,没你这么说话的,只会让人看不起,加强修养,提高文化水平,带把的就不要小肚鸡肠。
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至少何的器材可以打开盖让你看个究竟。
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发表于 2009-4-21 10:51 | 显示全部楼层
厚和薄都能推好的东西是根本不存在的.

不论是你这样的小玩意 还是几十W的名鸡.

你们这些做枪的.兴头上就是把持不住自己这张嘴.

总是喜欢奸污常识.自己没病却在肚脐眼拔火罐子.

可能本来挺不错的东西.却自我挖坑.毫无无意义的去藐视别人的思维.何苦呢.

既然这么认真.费这么大力气写了这介绍.

那俺找机会去听听.
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发表于 2009-4-21 11:04 | 显示全部楼层
看了几个贴子,搞懂了,家电这里原来是要靠吵架来炒作的,累啊。大家还是认真看看介绍,找机会去听听吧,我只是个用家,说我是抢手也没意见,最后说一句,支持LZ宣传好产品!
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没用过和听过就不负责任的乱说,不是君子之为。
我的HIEND(全套睿志):CD7+DAC参考一+FBI500+SP9SE
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中国人有陋习总是感觉自己不怎么样,自己瞧不起自己。外国的东西如果不好就说是假货,价格高的必定是好东西。我虽然没有买过何庆华的东西,但以后还是会考虑购买。
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先不论机器如何, 厂家已经穷的没钱做广告, 只能在论坛做免费广告.
其次, 厂家设计者毫无底气, 要靠老外来提高身价, 什么资深, 专业.

一个没有自信的人是做不好产品的.
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回复 45# jimbim 的帖子

如果不了解情况,而是靠主观臆测去评判,很容易有失偏颇。
何庆华很不喜欢做广告,他一贯的心态和做法是“酒香不怕巷子深”;同时他认为广告的高额费用最终还是须由消费者买单,一旦投入巨额广告费用,产品就无法保持现在平易近人的价格,不提价就一定会降低质量。再者,何现在的瓶颈是产能,目前阶段确实也无需广告。
实际上Zhangjian1965在家电做宣传,何非常不赞成。但Zhangjian1965先生仍抱着好东西要让大家分享的心态而不辞辛劳,尽管这种做法我也不太赞许,但评论还是要实事求是。

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