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评测都是取自hometheather.com
47LE8500(LE8900/LE8600)
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.002     
White: 31

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 15,500:1
These readings were taken in the Expert1 picture mode with the Backlight on 35, the Contrast on 70, and the Brightness at 54. The Vivid mode produced a peak white level of 120 foot-lamberts—a level that was uncomfortable to watch for more than a few minutes in typical evening room lighting.
The Color Tracking charts below show how well a display adheres to the D65 standard white point. The tighter the overlap of the three primary colors, the nearer the result is to D65. The Before Calibration chart shows the result in the fixed THX Cinema mode. The After Calibration chart shows the full final calibration taken in Expert1, in the Warm color temperature setting, fine-tuned with the 10-step white-balance red, blue, and green controls. The After Calibration result is outstanding, with a Delta E of under 1.0 from 40 IRE (low to mid brightness) to 90 IRE (just short of peak white) and no higher than 2.5 elsewhere. Delta E is a figure of merit that indicates how close the result is to the standard D65 white point. Most experts recommend a value of 4 or less, suggesting that the eye cannot distinguish any improvement below this level. Others recommend no more than 3 for a visually ideal result.

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Sony BRAVIA KDL-55XBR8 LCD HDTV HT Labs Measures(55x4500)
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.000

White: 38.64

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: Infinite
For the picture adjustments used in this review, go to www.HomeTheaterMag.com. The measurements here were taken in the Custom Picture mode, through an HDMI input except as noted, with the set adjusted for the most accurate picture in a darkened room.

It was still possible to see a very low level of brightness on the screen with a full-screen black image. That is, the Sony’s black level is not truly zero, nor its peak contrast infinite. Rather, it’s unmeasurable with our Minolta LS-100 light meter—which simply means that the black level was below the meter’s 0.001 ft-L minimum sensitivity.
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Panasonic Viera TC-P50G20 Plasma HDTV HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.008
White: 30.22

All of the measurements here, unless noted otherwise, were taken in the THX Picture mode, through an HDMI input, with the Contrast control on 49, the Brightness on 60, and the other adjustments set as required for the most accurate image in a darkened room.
If judged in comparison with the Panasonic HDTVs we’ve tested over the past two years, the TC-P50G20’s black level and contrast ratio are merely average—although that still means comfortably better than average by overall industry standards. Two previous Panasonics have measured better, but one of them was the admittedly larger and far pricier ($10,000) Premier TH-65VX100U.
Both the Before Calibration and After Calibration color-tracking measurements were performed in the THX mode. The Before Calibration result, out of the box, was only fair, with Delta E readings that ranged from 1.4 to 5.8. After calibration, the maximum Delta E measured 3.6 at 30 IRE on the dark end, 3.6 at 100-IRE peak white, and under 2.0 at all other points.  

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Panasonic VIERA TC-P58V10 Plasma HDTV HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.005

White: 33.57

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 6,714:1
All the measurements were made in the THX mode. The full-on/full-off contrast ratio above was taken with the Contrast setting on 92 and the Brightness setting on 58.
This is the third best full-screen black level we’ve ever measured on a plasma set. It’s exceeded only by the last couple of generations of Pioneer KUROs (as a group) and the Panasonic Premiere TH-65VX100U professional model mentioned in the review. The latter was measured with the 25 IRE+PLUGE pattern on Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics, which allows for a slightly lower setting of the Brightness control than the Spears & Munsil High Definition Benchmark Blu-ray Edition used here. Using DVE on the TC-P58V10 produced a black level of 0.005 foot-lamberts—the same result we obtained on the TH-65VX100U. The latter sold for $10,000 when we reviewed it back in April 2009. Other recent Panasonic consumer sets have had considerably higher black levels, but they’re still consistently better than the current production plasma sets we’ve tested recently from LG and Samsung—the other two major set makers still in the plasma hunt.

The color tracking (measured in the Warm1 Color Temp setting) was fair at best out of the box. In our experience, even THX-certified sets need some calibration love. The calibration produced a better result, but I elected to let it go a little blue across the low-mid brightness region (but no more than just a bit over 6700K) to avoid excessive red shift in the darkest grays. (The THX calibration was done in the service menu, starting from the Normal color temperature setting. The THX mode is called Cinema in the service menu.) The Delta E after calibration maxed out at 3.63 at 40 IRE and was under 2.2 at all other points.




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Panasonic Viera TC-P42G10 Plasma HDTV HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.014
White: 25.97

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 1,855:1
All the measurements here, unless noted otherwise, were taken in the THX picture mode, through an HDMI input, with the set adjusted as needed for the most accurate within the requirements of the viewing tests in a darkened room.
The Panasonic had the next to the best black level and full-on/full-off contrast ratio in the group. While the Panasonic can produce a higher brightness level in other picture modes (as much as 80 foot-lamberts in Vivid), it looked best in our darkened room in its calibrated THX setting.

Due to a quirk in the calibration process and the fact that all the calibration controls are in a service menu, the Before Calibration settings shown here are for the Standard Picture mode and the After Calibration result is for a calibration in the THX mode—both of them in the Warm2 Color temperature setting. The Before Calibration result produced a Delta-E that ran from 3 to 9.1. (Delta-E is a figure of merit that indicates how close the color temperature comes to the ideal white point of D6500. The lower the number, the better. Experts generally recommend a maximum of between 3 and 4 for results that are visibly indistinguishable from lower values.) After calibration, it was 3.1 or less from 30 IRE to 100 IRE, increasing to 6.5 at 20 IRE.

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Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-141FD Plasma HD Monitor HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures
Black: 0.001

White: 33.5

Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 33,500:1
The full-on/full-off contrast ratio above (sometimes referred to as the peak contrast ratio, the sequential contrast ratio, or the dynamic range) is about as good as it gets. The black level shown here was the most conservative reading taken. With a black image, you can still see some illumination on the screen, but it is extremely dim and difficult to measure. I took 20 full-screen black-level readings. Eighteen of them measured 0.000, and two measured 0.001—the lowest reading possible with our Minolta LS-100 light meter.
I did use the ISFccc feature, but even without it, the PRO-141FD’s post-calibration color measurements were nearly flawless. The pre-calibration result shown here is for the Mid-Low Color Temp setting. Post-calibration, the result deviates from nearly perfect compliance only at the extreme ends of the brightness range. (The closer the three colors overlap, the closer the result is to the standard D65 white point.) These deviations were too small to be visibly significant.

The white triangle in the pie-shaped CIE chart shows the set’s color gamut in the Color Space 2 setting (Pure mode). It’s a virtual overlay of the ATSC standard (the black triangle, nearly invisible here). The Color Space 1 setting (not shown) was slightly oversaturated.




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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 19:10 | 显示全部楼层
大家看看黑松的等离子和先锋的差距,再看看和sony x4500的差距,真是不比不知道,一比准露馅
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LG的液晶从业人员别出来糊弄了  你家LG最好了 合资品牌中漏光之王  拖影之王 而且还吹什么200HZ  其实上100HZ都做不好  


要和先锋比的也是VT20吧 拿着松下V10和G10出来当靶子你也太out了吧   


LG的漏光不需仪器测 也不需要数据  只要不是瞎子都能看出来 :  漏光。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 19:25 | 显示全部楼层
VT25
Panasonic VIERA TC-P50VT25 Plasma 3D HDTV HT Labs Measures
HT Labs Measures

Black: 0.004
White: 27.3


Full-On/Full-Off Contrast Ratio: 6,825:1

For the picture adjustments used in this review, go to HomeTheaterMag.com. Unless noted otherwise, all of the measurements here were taken in the THX Picture mode, in 2D, through an HDMI input, and with the set adjusted as needed for the most accurate image in a darkened room.

This is the best full-on/full-off contrast ratio and the deepest black level we have yet measured on any plasma outside of the last generation of Pioneer KUROs (now discontinued). Only a few of the LCD designs with LED backlighting and local dimming can do better.

Both the Before Calibration and After Calibration color-tracking measurements were performed in the THX mode set to Warm 2, with the After calibrations done in the service menu. The Before Calibration result, out of the box, was fair. Post calibration, the Delta E ranged from 1.36 to 3.6 from 30 IRE (dark) to 100 IRE (peak white). It increased to 8.6 at a very dark 20 IRE, with a measurable but not visibly obvious blue shift. (Delta E is a figure of merit that indicates how close the color temperature comes to the ideal white point of D6500. The lower the number, the better. Experts generally recommend a maximum of 3 to 4.)

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 19:29 | 显示全部楼层
某些人不是吹嘘vt20怎么好怎么好吗,看到没有,20 IRE时候deltae飙升到8.6.
对比就更不说了,先锋机器至少是松下的4倍
其他等离子我就不说了,某C不是天天叫嚣早超过先锋了嘛,别说超先锋,估计连松下都超不了[s:14][s:14][s:14][s:14]

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发表于 2011-3-6 19:59 | 显示全部楼层
数据结结实实给上边那位一个大嘴巴…
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原帖由 whindson 于 2011-3-6 19:29 发表
某些人不是吹嘘vt20怎么好怎么好吗,看到没有,20 IRE时候deltae飙升到8.6.
对比就更不说了,先锋机器至少是松下的4倍
其他等离子我就不说了,某C不是天天叫嚣早超过先锋了嘛,别说超先锋,估计连松下都超不了[s:14][s:1 ...

[s:14] 天级测的长虹3DTV63938FS的全白、全黑对比度是111455:1,ANSI对比度是63417:1,
看数据长虹早就秒杀先锋、松下了,还不服气,有照片,有工程师现场测试,先锋、松下都有,
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u164243785_12def294895g213.jpg
如果还不服,我也没办法了。
3DTV63938FS已经停产,目前画质更高的是3DTV63938B,今年下半年的旗舰是3DTV64958。
[s:41] 辩论要这样的,
1、你和他讲道理,他和你耍流氓;
2、你和他耍流氓,他和你讲法制;
3、你和他讲法制,他和你讲政治;
4、你和他讲政治,他和你讲国情;
5、你和他讲国情,他和你讲接轨;
6、你和他讲接轨,他和你讲文化;
7、你和他讲文化,他和你讲孔子;
8、你和他讲孔子,他和你讲老子;
9、你和他讲老子,他给你装孙子;
10、你也装孙子,他说你傻子;
11、你真成了傻子,他和你讲道理!
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 20:17 | 显示全部楼层
楼上的c生活啊



大家注意看具体的黑白数值,发现什么了没有,3台不同的电视全是0.153和152.5,但对比度呢,长虹有11w,sony只有5w,天极网的编辑......
你看看你家的长虹黑位是多少?0.153,谁都知道100以上的流明家用环境看电视眼睛根本就受不了,0.153,先锋至少领先你153倍,松下pz800都能打趴你
我笑而不语了....

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 20:26 | 显示全部楼层
长虹3DTV63938FS等离子电视优化模式测试成绩

  从测试结果来看,相比液晶电视产品,等离子电视在色彩表象方面明显强于液晶电视,该款电视子在标准模式下伽马曲线值为1.0低于2.2的最佳理想值,而在色温上却偏差不是非常大;通过手动优化后,各项数值均有所好转,色温处于完美值,RGB色彩更是同样也做到了最大化的优化还原,这说明该款等离子电视通过一定的调整后还是有非常大的提升空间的。
这个是见过的最牛B的gamma了,1.0

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发表于 2011-3-6 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
确实数据很吓人,希望lz多报点在售的型号测试结果。先锋,4500再好也买不到了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 21:00 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 nidemm1987 于 2011-3-6 20:57 发表
确实数据很吓人,希望lz多报点在售的型号测试结果。先锋,4500再好也买不到了。

欧美型号可能不一样,hometheather有很多机器的评测,你可以去那里看看,如果你不想细看就直接跳到最后的lab measurement去看对比和色准,还有色域覆盖,毕竟这个是大家比较关心的.
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原帖由 whindson 于 2011-3-6 20:17 发表
楼上的c生活啊


http://image.tianjimedia.com/uploadImages/2011/ ...

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有事找天极,神也是他,鬼也是他。
而且光看数据,什么电视都不能买,有些是有意义的,有些是没有意义的。
最低亮度是没有意义的,而是要看最低亮度下的细节层次,PDP和LCD不同点在于,PDP最低亮度还会保持一定的细节水准,当然指中高端机型,液晶就不行,LED动态分区控制最黑可以全黑没有细节,厂家调校的时候重点是细节。
你那美帝国主义的机种在天朝是没有卖的,天朝的机种是两类,不要一厢情愿,除非你说服美帝测一下长虹的中国区机型。
日本和韩国两国机种相互还进不去呢,你说谁好谁坏。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 21:15 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 C生活 于 2011-3-6 21:07 发表

[s:41] [s:41] [s:41]
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有事找天极,神也是他,鬼也是他。
而且光看数据,什么电视都不能买,有些是有意义的,有些是没有意义的。
最低亮度是没有意义的,而是要看最低亮度下的细节层次,PDP ...

对的,最低亮度没有意义。
但你注意看,我转的数据无不是评测电视的最佳设置下评测结果。
对于长虹电视,我后面有加上天极评测的gamma,当然,我不是评测人员,也不知道那个1.0到底是不是真的。但是如果为了暗部细节而故意减低gamma到1.0这种地步的话,只能间接的说明了长虹在pdp上技术的严重落后!

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原帖由 whindson 于 2011-3-6 21:15 发表

对的,最低亮度没有意义。所以我后面有加上了gamma,当然,我不是评测人员,也不知道那个1.0到底是不是真的。但是如果为了暗部细节而故意减低gamma到1.0这种地步的话,只能间接的说明了长虹在pdp上技术的严重落后! ...

所以我说吗,谁测的找谁。
实际上长虹的画质调校也是参考了松下、三星的高端机的,只会更高,不会更低。
包括色彩和层次。
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938FS系列2D没有问题,主要的不完美的地方在3D,所以后续出了938B,再后来是更接近完美的958系列,这个才是长虹完全自主技术定义的产品,也就是加上了长虹中国PDP技术标准的产品。

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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 21:33 | 显示全部楼层
。。。。。
为什么长虹就不学先锋却学两个不入流的电视,你去看看松下和三星的色准,两个没一个能比得过先锋。。。
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