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高宁

需要两对SAES单元，请各位帮忙参考一下：H416+H519与H1215+H0831的素质差异有多大？哪一种配对要全面一点？请别泼水哦[s:21]

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哟，这叫筑巢引凤，难得一见孤水的芳踪哦

青铜刺猬

前一个组合已经停产了吧？
H0831就是PMC新款i系列用的高音

青铜刺猬

低音我觉得也是新款的纸盆更好

高宁

是的，H416停产了，不过还可以弄到，目前就是对H0831和H1215的情况不了解，价位好象要比416的组合上去一些

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原帖由 青铜刺猬 于 2009-9-1 17:09 发表
低音我觉得也是新款的纸盆更好

谢谢兄台，高音呢？

青铜刺猬

高音前面说啦，连PMC都在用[s:97]

高宁

哦，好的。我参考了一下东讯的原报价，H519比H0831要贵一些，但低音单元H1215稍贵（H416原报价低一点）。当然，单元好象不符合是按价论声的，但还是想了解一下两个低音单元的优劣和音质取向，谢谢各位了

青铜刺猬

你说的416是PP盆吧？这种材料因为本身的刚性不足和强烈的自阻尼特性很容易营造出那种浑浊易疲劳的声音

Philharmonic

416是PP盆，1215是涂层纸盆，0831？是830吧？519是25mm，830是20mm

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SEAS VINTAGE PRESTIGE WOOFERS 17 cm woofer中最优秀的三个型号：H0416 P17REX，H0602 P17REX/P，H0648 G17REX/P。

H1215的涂胶纸盆类似H571、H624，素质还可以。


H1215

seas现时产品目录上所有中低音单元，盆架均是无背压式设计，这点比SEAS VINTAGE PRESTIGE WOOFERS好。

H519不值得考虑，H0831无背声室，可考虑上一级的H0881或H1189


H0831



H0881


H1189

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seas的官方套件Mimir，单元H1215-08 CA18RNX + H1189-06 27TDFC。

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Mimir   



Named after Mimir , a primal god of Norse mythology who was renowned for his knowledge and wisdom, we present
a new high-end two-way speaker kit.The Mimir  consist of an 18 cm long throw woofer with a coated paper cone - CA18RNX , and a 27 mm coated fabric tweeter - 27TDFC .

  

Enclosure and stuffing
The Mimir loudspeaker is based on a standard 14 litre vented cabinet that is available assembled and finsihed at some DIY loudspeaker shops. This cabinet was chosen to give people an easy start to building a loudspeaker. Ask your local loudspeaker dealer if he can help you obtain this, if your not thinking of building it yourself. The important thing to remember when you are building this, is to keep the baffle width and internal volume of the original enclosure. Adding braces to stiffen the cabinet is a good tip for the advanced builder to take the loudspeaker just a little bit further.

The amount of stuffing and port tuning is based on measurements and extensive listening. The cabinet is filled with 100 g of Acousto-Q. The stuffing is distributed evenly in the box, but kept away from the port opening to allow free movement of air. This to ensure that the airflow noise stays as low as possible. The port length is 20 cm including the flanged end and the inner diameter is 5 cm. This gives a port tuning of 42Hz providing a smooth low frequency roll-off.

  

Drive units
The woofer used in this system is the SEAS CA18RNX . This is a long throw 18 cm woofer with a coated paper cone. The classical coated paper cone gives a smooth extended frequency response with a controlled roll off. The large magnet system gives good transient response, and the bumped back plate together with the very long, and light weight copper clad aluminum voice coil allow for extreme coil excursion with low distortion. The extremely stiff and stable injection moulded metal basket, keeps the critical components in perfect alignment. Large windows in the basket both above and below the spider reduce sound reflection, air flow noise and cavity resonance to a minimum.

The tweeter is the SEAS 27TDFC . This is a 27 mm High Definition precoated fabric dome tweeter with a wide, soft polymer surround. The dome and surround materials give high consistency and excellent stability against variations in air humidity. The voice coil is wound on an aluminum voice coil former with adequate ventilating holes to eliminate noise from internal air flow. The voice coil is immersed in low viscosity magnetic fuid, for high power handling capacity and simplifed crossover design. A stiff and stable rear chamber with optimal acoustic damping allows 27TDFC to be used with moderately low crossover frequencies. The chassis is precision moulded from glass fibre reinforced plastic, and its front design offers optimum radiation conditions. For detailed technical parameters on the drive units see the data sheets.

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Crossover
The crossover is designed in LspCAD from IJData, with the objective to obtain a simple design without sacrifcing the overall quality. Driver response and impedance were measured with the drivers mounted in the box at 1 metre distance 15 degrees off the tweeter axis in an anechoic room. This reference point was used in the design to minimize the influence of baffle edge diffraction. By measuring the drivers at the same point it is easy to simulate the summation of and phase response between the drivers. The crossover was developed empirically, without confinement to the traditional textbook filter formulas.

The drivers should be in phase at the crossover frequency, and the sum should be flat when both drivers are at -6dB relative to the pass band level. Now the inevitable vertical off-axis cancellation, which is always present with the use of non-coincident drivers, is at least outside the listening axis (tweeter axis). To accomplish the design goals it was necessary to use a 2nd order electrical filter for the high pass section, with an “l-pad” for attenuation because of the different sensitivities of the drivers. The low pass section was realised with a 2nd order electrical filter and a baffe-step compensator consisting of a parallel connection of an inductor and a resistor in series with the driver, thus providing a flat frequency response. The crossover schematics is shown in figure 2.

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Measurements
Anechoic free field response at 1 meter, 15 degrees off tweeter axis, measured at 2.83V.
Impedance measured at 2V.



As seen in the figure the average sensitivity is 84dB and the response lies within ± 2dB.  The black curve shows the response with the tweeter connected with opposite polarity. In this curve we look for a deep and symmetrical notch around the crossover frequency, which indicates that the drivers are in phase in the crossover region. Here the notch is more than 25dB deep, and that confirms that this system has a very good phase response. The blue and green curves show respectively the response of the woofer and the tweeter.

The 2nd order electrical crossover combinedwith the natural roll-off of the drivers gives a 4th order acoustical Linkwitz-Riley slope. The crossover frequency is 2.2 kHz, high enough for the tweeter to operate inside its limits, even at high amplitudes, and low enough so that the woofer doesn’t become too directional, and thus providing a smooth power respons. The off-axis respons of the Mimir is shown below.



This figure shows that the power response is very smooth throughout the whole frequency range, and the controlled off-axis roll off of the tweeter.
  

The next figure shows the 2nd and 3rd order harmonic distortion with an output of 96dB at 1m. The overall distortion is very low and without any peaks that might become noticeable. This makes the reproduced music very clean and without coloration.