请问：哪位大侠听过这对瑞宝Ensemble落地箱 ？

京汉

型号：Primadonna Gold 早期版

有两个版本：早期版，倒相孔在后；后期版，是长条形，在前，更易摆位。

1，请说说听感，优缺点。用啥推的？

2，中高频部分的声音与它后来的音箱，有何不同？

3，侃侃它的前世今生。该箱的技术参数有吗？哪年的产品？当时啥价？现在二手多少钱？

请大家指教！先谢！

附图，谢谢拍摄者

京汉

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后期版，倒相孔是长条形，在前，更易摆位

pcello

瑞宝的旗舰，音色据说极品。没听过，看过枪文。

无糖可乐

pcello 发表于 2022-5-1 18:03
瑞宝的旗舰，音色据说极品。没听过，看过枪文。

听过了就那么回事，体积大得一笔，还5寸喇叭，靠低音共鸣箱才勉强加一点低音，还不如玩它家的书架箱，加个低音炮

pcello

无糖可乐 发表于 2022-5-1 22:16
听过了就那么回事，体积大得一笔，还5寸喇叭，靠低音共鸣箱才勉强加一点低音，还不如玩它家的书架箱，加 ...

刘汉盛在印象论坛上的文章：《不论大小/价格，它是最好者之一：惊闻ensemble  primadonna gold》，说的应该不是纯枪文吧？至于体积，主要是正面看着宽度大一些，实际箱体体积并不大，主要是前障班做出扩散 板的形状造成的。

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pcello 发表于 2022-5-12 16:54
刘汉盛在印象论坛上的文章：《不论大小/价格，它是最好者之一：惊闻ensemble  primadonna gold》，说的应 ...

刘汗盛写的什么文章不是枪文？这些年，他推荐的世界最好的器材，没有几千件也有几百件了吧？

欧罗巴精神

看似两分频 其实是三分频
第三路 重低音是箱体过滤，出来重低音。

不对，如果只是一条缝，内部没有管道，
那么几乎不出低音。和迷你 micro乌托邦一样，只是为了透气。
扬声器的Q值。
低音表现，瞬态，和箱体的容积有关系。

音色，都在中高音频段，Ensemble（法语：组合）的确处理地不错，
天鹅绒防止反射，边缘曲线化。

几十年的老太婆了，就不要提当年的姿色。
内部的器官全部老化了。
不要以为看不见，就不是。

磁钢退磁，弹波阻尼下降，全部老化。
否则原有主人是不会没事出的。

情节而已，2万，国内高溢价，4万，不能更多了。

因为法国这边，70年，50年家族传承的音箱，

绝对胜过其一切。

xies

只见过书架的枪文，听说一套西装效果才好，功放，碟机金工一流

京汉

海外论坛评论

ENSEMBLE PRIMADONNA GOLD FLOORSTANDING SPEAKERS
USER REVIEWS
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[Apr 23, 2019]
carl11529

STRENGTH:
Have my pair for several years. Use Esoteric RZ-1 to drive them. Emphasizing bass to get satisfactory result. Tonal purity is the major strength. The performance of string ensemble is almost unsurpassable. Forever to stay in my speakers collection, together with SF Guarneri Homage, and Electa Amator 1, and Evett & Shaw Elan.
WEAKNESS:
Not suitable for large-scale orchestral music, and heavy metal perhaps.
Purchased:
Used          OVERALL
RATING        4        ★★★★★
★★★★★

[Sep 15, 2018]
bhirskyj

STRENGTH:
Very natural sound with surprising deep bass for a small unit in a big box, very good imaging. Extremely revealing, so if you are a stupid person and runs them with crap, guess what they sound crap. I used Primare 928 amps or Trilogy 990/909 EL34 amps and they sound wonderful, even better than the PA-1 Reference. If you really want trouser flapping bass, use a Velodyne DD15+ and put the signal through it and it will cut the main speakers off at 80Hz, so you have loud with big bass. Easy to position, I use them about 0.5M from the back wall.
WEAKNESS:
There is a small-ish unit that can only handle so much, so not for discos with a suitable sub. Expensive, but once you hear them you will have to buy.
Price Paid:
?
Purchased:
Used  
Model Year:
2000        OVERALL
RATING        5        ★★★★★
★★★★★

[May 06, 2013]
michael wong
Audio Enthusiast

i have owned Ensemble PA-1 as well as the Reference series. For many years these were my book shelf reference speakers. The high and mids were really good especially for jazz. I matched them with a pair of good sub-woofers to give it more "body". The sound was equivalent to a large speaker. A word of caution. Unlike a large speaker you cannot turn it up to full volume otherwise you damage the speakers. Music is played loud enough for the ears to listen to. They were fantastic speakers. I sold them two years ago and regretted it. I could not find a used pair at the price I expected to pay. I looked for them again for a year and found a pair of Primadona. I have yet to listen to them. I am sure that they are as good as the bookshelf speakers, if not better.        OVERALL
RATING        4        ★★★★★
★★★★★

VALUE
RATING        3        ★★★★★
★★★★★

[Feb 19, 2003]
Cedric Lee
AudioPhile

STRENGTH:
Full range balance...
WEAKNESS:
Not everyone likes its bass character
My system consists of JA Michell turntable, Sony SCD-1, ARC SP11 pre-amp, Manley 300B power amp and this Ensemble Primadonna. Before I bought these speakers, I know nothing about them. I was just attracted by its appearance, unique design of speaker compartment. I asked the salesman whether it can be served well by my small-power 300B amp. I took a listen once he said no problem. Once it sound, I agree that it is easy to drive it well. When the music died, the mid-to-high range sounds very very good and which I never heard before. The Primadonna consists of a 1" tweeter and a 5-1/2" mid-bass driver. It seems the box size and the size of drivers are not in proportion. Many people beleive that it don't perform well in low range. However, I can gurantee it can provide a quality bass if you choose a right pair of speaker cable to it. My choice is XLO signature 5.1. Eventhought its lower range character is not punching-heart, it still can extend very very low. When I tested it, I compare it with ProAc 3.8. The outcome is Response3.8 is nothing when stand beside Primadonna, even Westlake BBSM8 with all kind of Music. The only thing cannot be comparible is low range. The bass from Primadonna sounds very unique, not in quantity, in quality. It really provides an unique, deep and ture bass range. However, if your listening area is smaller than 200 sq feet, this is your right choice.
Similar Products Used:
Westlake BBSM8, B&W N802, Revel Ultimate        OVERALL
RATING        5        ★★★★★
★★★★★

VALUE
RATING        3        ★★★★★
★★★★★

[Oct 12, 1999]
Michael Lee
Audio Enthusiast

I owned the Ensemble Primadonna for almost two years now. If you have a mid-size room and largely listen to vocal and jazz music, this is the speaker you won't regret investing in.
I am using Sutherland A1000 and C2000 preamp, source component is Goldmund 10P and transport.        OVERALL
RATING        4        ★★★★★
★★★★★

VALUE
RATING        4        ★★★★★
★★★★★

[May 28, 1999]
WS
an Audio Enthusiast

Just had a chance to listen to the Primadonna, driven by Gryphon equipment. Source is an Ensemble CD transport.I heard the Ensemble Reference Silver a while back and were very impressed with the sound.
I had the same high hopes for the Primadonna, but the experience turned out to be a little disappointing.
Ensemble has arguably the 'most human' tonal reproduction of all speakers. The Primadonna was no different. Tone was wonderful. Voice really sounds like human voice.
However, due to its 4in woofer, the Primadonna cannot reproduce deep bass at all. I listened to Mahler no2's ending with the Primadonna and the organ sound was so soft that you could hardly pick it up.
From Mid-low bass downards, the sound is thin. Midrange and highs are pretty good, but the lower end is simply not there.
These speakers will do fine job if you are looking for mids and highs. but if you listen to large orchestral music (such as Mahler), the Primadonna won't be able to reproduce the 'scale' of such pieces.        OVERALL
RATING        3        ★★★★★
★★★★★

VALUE
RATING                ★★★★★

[Nov 01, 2000]
StereoFiend
Audio Enthusiast

STRENGTH:
none
WEAKNESS:
many
THIS SPEAKER USES A STYROFOAM COFFEE CUP FOR A MIDRANGE! IT IS AN OVERPRICED PIECE OF EURO-JUNK. NO BASS, NO DYNAMICS, NO HIGHS, NOTHING, IT SOUNDS WORSE THAN ANY BOOM BOX YOU CAN BUY AT BEST-BUY, CIRCUIT CITY, OR J&R MUSIC WORLD. DO NOT BUY THIS YOU ARE SERIOUSLY MAKING A BIG, BIG MISTAKE        OVERALL
RATING        1        ★★★★★
★★★★★

VALUE
RATING        1        ★★★★★
★★★★★

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