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[量子点/液晶电视] Dolby Vision和HDR 10

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HDR有2种格式Dolby Vision和HDR 10不知最后谁能胜出。 TCL选择和Dolby Vision合作,乐视支持HDR 10。某些电视厂商号称可以把非HDR内容转为HDR.  如果普通片源直接用HDR电视看会有失真吗?  长虹HDR 55寸4k电视才3000多元,但是无HDR片源貌似也没用?
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Dolby Vision是HDR10的扩展,不存在谁胜出吧?Dolby Vision包含了HDR10

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【“长虹HDR 55寸4k电视才3000多元”】

够便宜!
老GY说的HDR标配的步伐看来已经开始了、、、
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本帖最后由 passarella 于 2016-4-12 20:23 编辑

除了SONY弄了一个拉对数曲线的HLG叫成4K HDR之外,其他家的HDR支持目前是规范的。


杜比HDR是美国提出来的标准,飞利浦HDR是欧洲提出的标准。杜比HDR就像音频里的杜比DD,飞利浦HDR就像音频里的DTS,他们的交集或者叫子集是HDR10,就像音频里的最基本的双声道。
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发表于 2016-4-9 19:17 来自家电论坛网手机触屏版 | 显示全部楼层
dolby vision貌似是一整套显示处理解决方案,hdr只是其中的一部分
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本帖最后由 bluejd 于 2016-4-9 20:29 编辑
passarella 发表于 2016-4-9 18:55
除了SONY弄了一个拉对数曲线的HLG叫成4K HDR之外,其他家的HDR支持目前是规范的。
http://news.zol.com.cn/554/5541318.html

HLG并非索尼发明的,HLG是由BBC和NHK共同发起的HDR标准,它所广播的单独信号流可同时兼容HDR和非HDR电视。

    HLG可通过两种不同的方式来分别对HDR信号当中所包含的高光和低光部分进行解码,其中低光部分使用了标准伽玛曲线,而高光部分则使用了对数曲线。虽然HLG图像看上去可能和非HLG HDR图像略有不同,但它的确能够呈现出HDR式的效果。

    HLG所带来的好处是非常明显的:由于兼容普通电视,电视台和内容制作者无需部署两套不同的信号输送系统,这也就节约了所有人的时间和金钱。

    由于HLG拥有来自日本广播工业与商业协会(ARIB)的支持,它无需授权费便可使用,因此这项标准很有可能会在广播电视产业当中普及开来。
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HLG并非索尼发明的,HLG是由BBC和NHK共同发起的HDR标准,它所广播的单独信号流可同时兼容HDR和非HDR电视 ...

既然这么好的东西,那么其他这么多家厂家都不用,很寂寞的。其实也很说明问题
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没有冲突,选择和谁合作主要是上游ic的问题,比如Mstar938是支持Dolby vision的。今年用938大把电视用
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passarella 发表于 2016-4-9 19:52
既然这么好的东西,那么其他这么多家厂家都不用,很寂寞的。其实也很说明问题

有多好并不知道,要实测才知道。厂商用不用各自有各自的考虑,原因不得而知。
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本帖最后由 bluejd 于 2016-4-9 20:56 编辑

Netflix is now streaming in HDR / Dolby Vision

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news ... l&id=1460179224

Season 1 of Marco Polo is available now and season 2 has been confirmed for release in June 2016.

HDR10 is the “open” format and the HDR10 streams are currently supported on TVs from LG, Sharp, Samsung and Sony, according to Netflix. A previous version of Netflix’s support page also mentioned Panasonic but it appears that there were last-minute compatibility issues that the companies are trying to fix.

Dolby Vision is Dolby’s premium HDR format. The Dolby Vision streams are currently supported on LG TVs (2016 LCD and OLEDs) and Vizio TVs, according to Netflix.

TVs with HDR10 support
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真羨慕現在的電視有分區,有HDMI2.0,有HDR,有4K,有8核,有16G內存,我的垃圾LG末代等離子以上一個都沒有,真心塞
http://www.jd-bbs.com/thread-5712114-1-1.html【糾結電視選擇的請仔細看
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本帖最后由 bluejd 于 2016-4-9 21:35 编辑

http://vmi.tv/training/useful-stuff/HDR_SURVIVAL_GUIDE

Technical Guide: HDR Standards
There are 3 main HDR standards worth mentioning with some standards like TechniColour/Philips being derivates of existing standards and nothing more than marketing and branding exercises.
These 3 standards are:
  • Dolby Vision
  • SMPTE 2084
  • BBC HLG HDR

Dolby Vision
Dolby is a pioneer of HDR and they were the first to come to the market with a working version of HDR TV and were the first to demonstrate HDR in practice. Some of their developments have been taken by SMPTE into their standard SMPTE ST2084 and Dolby certainly hold a special place in the world of HDR.
The beauty of Dolby Vision is that it is a complete end-to-end solution from mastering to delivery to the end user. Dolby has developed special mastering screens capable of displaying up to 4000 nits and they offer full technical support to projects that decide to master in Dolby Vision. Another benefit of Dolby Vision is its capability to adjust its playback to a specific screens. So for example if screen is capable of 1000 nits brightness, playback would be adjusted to that value. But the same stream would be playable on SDR screens through very clever HDR to SDR conversion.
That means that a single Dolby Vision master is capable of being displayed on SDR, HDR screens of 1,000 nits, 2,000 nits or 10.000 nits. Today there are only 2 companies that have licensed Dolby Vision technology: LG and Vizio.

SMPTE ST2084
This is a standard that has been accepted by the UHD Alliance for UHD Premium and is currently leading the race as being the most widely accepted way of mastering, distributing and viewing HDR content. In contrast to Dolby Vision, this standard does not require any licensing and TV manufacturers like: Sony, Panasonic and Samsung have all adopted it.
SMPTE ST2084 is based around theoretical display capable of displaying 10.000 nits with all real life displays being referenced to this value. With this dynamic range traditional gamma curve is not enough and this standard is using a new type of EOTF (electro optical transfer function) or a PQ curve that looks like the one bellow in comparison to standard rec709 gamma curve.

In order to reiterate one more time the fact that HDR is not made for displaying images brighter but adding a highlight detail to otherwise clipped images in SDR below is a histogram that shows difference between an image being shown in SDR and HDR.
As it can be seen SDR and HDR image look almost identical in its main body with only added highlight detail in HDR and this is what gives the picture a 'WOW' factor.
BBC HLG HDR
While SMPTE ST2084 was created with feature film industry in mind, BBC’s HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) HDR was developed with a range of TV programming in mind including sports, live entertainment or even cooking shows. In contrast to SMPTE ST2084, HLG does not use reference display but instead has a different curve for different brightness and maximum screen brightness of 5000 nits.
What is also interesting about BBC’s approach is that it is taking into account surrounding brightness which affect the curve. Below is an example of how curve is changing depending on surrounding brightness change.
Conclusion
It is refreshing to find that HDR is one of those technologies and innovations that won’t need any heavy marketing for it to be accepted by the end user. Once you glance at a HDR TV screen you won’t need any convincing that images look much better, fresh and exciting.
If 3D was interesting for its novelty and 4K advantage was not visible to all, HDR is not going to fall into any of these two categories. The question is only, how long will it take before ‘Premium’ becomes the norm.


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有多好并不知道,要实测才知道。厂商用不用各自有各自的考虑,原因不得而知。

那为什么SONY电视机的全球销售占比是低的,既然这么牛的技术。为何三星LG海信TCL能排在它前面?
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那为什么SONY电视机的全球销售占比是低的,既然这么牛的技术。为何三星LG海信TCL能排在它前面?

因为显然三星LG海信TCL更牛嘛
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bluejd 发表于 2016-4-9 22:48
因为显然三星LG海信TCL更牛嘛

我认为是全球消费者眼睛是雪亮的。
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