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就是Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD!对!就是这台机子!极品好鸡!估计还没有一个中国人见过!要是KEN大侠你能找到它!你就是真神了![s:97][s:30]


TEST
RESULT


SCORE

Before color temp (20/80)
6221/6266


Good

After color temp
6444/6497


Good

Before grayscale variation
+/- 239


Good

After grayscale variation
+/- 19


Good

Color of red (x/y)
0.641/0.332


Good

Color of green
0.292/0.599


Good

Color of blue
0.151/0.061


Good

Overscan
0.0%


Good

Defeatable edge enhancement
Y


Good

480i 2:3 pull-down, 24 fps
Fail


Poor

1080i video resolution
Pass


Good

1080i film resolution
Pass


Good



Pioneer PRO-111FD
Picture settings
Default
Calibrated
Power Save
Picture on (watts)
333.54
293.06
291.73
Picture on (watts/sq. inch)
0.31
0.27
0.27
Standby (watts)
0
0
0
Cost per year
$103.24
$90.71
$90.30
Score (considering size)
Good
Score (overall)
Poor



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 楼主| 发表于 2013-8-2 09:50 | 显示全部楼层
Performance
Simply put, the Pioneer Elite PRO-111FD produced the best picture of any flat-panel HDTV we've tested to date. It delivered the deepest blacks we've seen from any large-screen display, as well as the most-accurate color. Video processing was superb, its glare-reducing screen is the best we've seen on any plasma TV, and we could find almost nothing to complain about in other areas. Given its superb performance, the PRO-111FD scores the first "10" we've ever awarded in overall picture quality. To us, that score doesn't represent perfection--hey, nothing's perfect--but instead a picture that's solidly superior to anything else we've seen in the flat-panel HDTV category.

Our standard calibration turned out to be a simple affair, despite the PRO-111FD's sizable complement of picture controls. The key was the Pure picture mode, which automatically engages Color Space 2, which in turn adheres very closely to the Rec. 709 HD color standard. We tweaked the color temperature a bit, removing a slight reddish cast, and touched up Magenta and Green by three total pips in the color-management system, but that was about it. The default Gamma 2 setting measured a nearly perfect 2.181 gamma; light output and black level were almost dead-on, and our main change was to bump up saturation (Color).

The initial accuracy of Pure, in fact, makes us doubly annoyed that Pioneer didn't include the same picture mode in the non-Elite version of this TV. All of those picture controls are largely unnecessary, in our opinion, if the out-of-the-box picture (in Pure mode) is so accurate. For what it's worth, you can check out our full picture settings at this blog post.

We also tried out the Optimum picture mode, just for kicks, and as we saw on the no-Elite PDP-5020FD, it lost some detail in blacks and oversaturated color in our dark room, although unlike the 5020, the Elite's light output in Optimum was much closer to what we'd consider ideal. When we turned up room lighting, the extra saturation and somewhat crushed blacks remained, although the picture did brighten somewhat to compensate for brighter room lighting. Of course we'd recommend Pure for image-quality enthusiasts, but folks who like auto-adjusting pictures could do worse than Optimum.

Image quality tests for the PRO-111FD were conducted, as always, as part of a side-by-side comparison. We were lucky enough to have two of the highest-scoring HDTVs this year available for the lineup, Panasonic's TH-50PZ800U plasma and Samsung's LN46A950 LCD, and we also threw in the LG 60PG60, the Samsung LN52A650 and the Samsung PN50A650 for good measure. We checked out Iron Man on Blu-ray, courtesy of our trusty Playstation3.

Black level: Since last year's PDP-5080HD, Pioneer's Kuro plasmas have evinced the deepest overall black levels of any HDTV, and the PRO-111FD continues the trend. We didn't have this year' non-Elite PDP-5020FD to compare directly, but we'd wager its black level performance is identical, and the PRO-111FD out-blacked the other displays in our comparison handily, including the Panasonic and the Samsung 950 LCD. The latter, when we watched from dead-center, gave the PRO-111FD the closest run for its money, blooming notwithstanding. In scenes that were almost completely dark, such as the 35:08 mark, when the only light is provided by green outlines and blue text on a laptop, the Samsung's local-dimming LEDs would turn off and make its screen look a bit darker than the Pioneer.

In the vast majority of scenes, however, including very dim ones--such as the rest of the cave scenes in Chapter 4--the inkiness of the Pioneer's black levels was the deepest. The letterbox bars--dark areas like Tony Stark's black sweater, black shadows around the soldiers, and, in the next chapter, the shadows inside the cargo plane--all looked inkier and more realistic than on any of the other displays, although in the case of the Panasonic and the Samsung, the difference was more or less subtle, depending on the overall brightness of the scene. In near-dark scenes, however, it wasn't subtle at all. We also appreciated the Pioneer's superb shadow detail, which, with the help of those deep blacks, outclassed anything in the room. As always, those deep blacks lend punch and impact to just about every scene.

Color accuracy: Our biggest complaint with the non-Elite PDP-5020FD was its inaccurate color, which was exacerbated by lack of adjustment. The Elite solves both of those problems, although as we mentioned above, just selecting Pure mode is enough of an adjustment for most people. Thanks to a nearly-perfect grayscale, skin tones, like the face of Pepper Potts and the torso of Stark during the "Operation" scene, looked even more natural and true than on the Panasonic, and indeed, the Pioneer measured significantly closer than the Panasonic to the D65 standard after calibration. Primary colors, such as the red and blue in the American flag, and secondaries, like the cyan contributing to the sky in the next chapter, were equally impressive and again came closer to the HD standard, according to our measurements, than any of the other displays. The PRO-111FD also maintained the most-neutral black and dark-gray areas of any of the other displays.

Video processing: The PRO-111FD's Film Mode menu provides a few options not found on most other plasma HDTVs. The most important to film buffs is called "Advance," which is designed to work with 24-frame-per-second sources--namely Blu-ray movies played at 1080p/24--to preserve the look of film during movement. Unlike Panasonic, which tried the same thing with its 48Hz mode (double the native rate of film), Pioneer uses a 72Hz rate with Advance, which avoids the flicker we saw on the Panasonic.

We checked out a pan over Tony Stark's workbench (27:43 into the movie) to compare between Advance and the Panasonic's standard 60Hz mode along with the two other 60Hz plasmas, with our PS3 set to 1080p/24 output, and the difference was obvious. In Advance, the entire image scrolled smoothly across the screen in a relatively smooth sweep, while on the 60Hz displays there was a sort of hitch or chugging effect evident when we looked at the whole picture. We preferred the look of the Pioneer, but it's worth noting that it introduced more-obvious breakup in individual objects in the pan, especially bright ones, like the top of a coffee cup or a piece of note paper. Of course, the main thing is that Pioneer provides the option, so if you don't like Advance you can choose Off to get the chugging seen on the standard plasmas.

Pioneer also puts in a dejudder processing mode, which is common to LCDs but found on no other plasma, called Smooth. Generally we're not fans of dejudder in any form when watching film-based movies, because often the result is a more videolike appearance than we'd like to see. On the PRO-111FD, however, engaging Smooth had no effect on the film-based material we watched. Checking out a few scenes in Smooth from Iron Man and couldn't find evidence of the telltale smoothing effect anywhere. Scratching our heads, we turned to the scenes in I Am Legend, where we noticed artifacts along with smoothing in Smooth mode on the 5020FD. Again, the film didn't look Smoothed at all; it evinced the same level of judder we noticed in Standard mode, and was similarly artifact-free. The only time we noticed Smooth mode performing as we expected was when watching a special demo clip Pioneer provided.

(Update October 28, 2008) We contacted Pioneer's representatives to get an explanation, and they couldn't provide one. They told us that the Smooth modes in both the Elite and the non-Elite should perform the same. We'll have to leave it at that, with the lame explanation that according to our observations, "your mileage may vary" in Smooth mode.

(Further update November 5, 2008) Additional observations confirmed that Smooth mode does operate more sporadically than expected. We checked out the pan over the workbench from Iron Man for example, and sometimes Smooth would engage to remove judder and sometimes it would not. The same went for other films, and it was difficult to pin down exactly what was causing dejudder to engage or not (we didn't change any settings). We haven't observed this kind of sporadic dejudder with any other displays, although to be fair day we feel it's a minor issue on an HDTV like this, which is targeted at video purists who will probably want to turn dejudder off anyway.

As we'd expect from any 1080p HDTV, the PRO-111FD resolved every detail of 1080i and 1080p sources. It also properly deinterlaced both film- and video-based sources, a feat not many HDTVs can claim. Motion resolution tested between 900 and 1000 lines, which is among the best we've seen on any display. As usual, we found it difficult to discern the benefits of these advantages in actual program material, as opposed to test patterns.

Bright lighting: We don't mean to pile it on, but we've always considered Pioneer's antireflective screen the best available on any plasma, and the PRO-111FD is no exception. With the room lights up and window shades open, it attenuated reflections very well, making them dimmer than any display in our comparison. It also maintained a deep black level in bright rooms almost as well as the shiny-screened Samsung LCDs.

Standard-definition: Unlike other aspects of its picture quality, the Elite's ability to handle standard-def sources was underwhelming according to our tests with the HQV DVD. Details were fine, both in the color-bars resolution pattern and in the stone bridge. But the set didn't eliminate as many jaggies from moving diagonal lines like a waving American flag as the Samsungs did, but it was still quite good and better than the Panasonic in this department. We really liked having those four noise reduction controls, and they worked extremely well to clean up moving motes in skies and sunsets. Surprisingly, the Elite failed our test for 2:3 pulldown, allowing moiré to creep into the grandstands after eliminating it briefly, regardless of the Film Mode or I-P mode we chose. As always, standard-def performance is irrelevant if you're connecting to a source that scales 480i to a higher resolution before connecting to the TV.

PC: With a digital connection, the Pioneer performed as well as we expect from any 1080p flat-panel, delivering every line of a 1,920x1,080-pixel PC signal with sharp text. We saw some edge enhancement in the standard settings but selecting Pure or Movie mode, or cranking down Sharpness, eliminated it completely. As usual, the analog connection was a disappointment, only accepting resolutions up to 1,280x1,024-pixels. Naturally the image looked softer and stretched to fill the screen, so we'd recommend PC users go digital.
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这机器狠厉害吗?在中国拥有的人应该还是有很多的。
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这机器狠厉害吗?在中国拥有的人应该还是有很多的。
2楼你可不可以百度翻译器一下,或者你自己翻译下啊,好 ...

我确实是很懒……[s:14]不过这是先锋的变态机子,600A都不如它。[s:41]
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-8-2 10:12 | 显示全部楼层
性能
简单的说,先锋精英pro-111fd产生我们所测试的日期任何的平板电视的最佳影片。它给我们任何的大屏幕显示最深的黑人,以及最准确的颜色。视频处理是一流的,其减少眩光屏幕是我们在任何等离子电视看到的最好的,我们可以找到几乎没有什么可抱怨的其他地区。由于其卓越的性能,pro-111fd分数的第一个“10”,我们曾经在整体图像质量评。对我们来说,那并不代表完美——嘿,没有什么是完美的——而是一个图片,扎扎实实地优于其他任何我们在平板电视类视。
我们的标准校准原来是一件简单的事,尽管pro-111fd可观的补充图片控件。关键是纯粹的图像模式,并自动进行色彩空间的2,这反过来又坚持密切的建议709高清色标准。我们调整色彩点的温度,消除轻微的泛红现象,和感动,洋红和在色彩管理系统共有三点绿,但那是什么。默认伽玛2设置测量一个近乎完美的2.181γ;光输出和黑色的水平几乎是死的,和我们的主要变化是增加饱和度(颜色)
事实上,纯,初始精度,使我们更加恼火,先锋没有包括在这个电视非精英版相同的图像模式。所有这些图片控件在很大程度上是不必要的,我们认为,如果从盒子的图片(在纯模式)是如此的精确。值得一提的是,你可以查看我们完整的图片设置在这个博客帖子。
我们也尝试过了最佳的图像模式,只是为了好玩,就像我们所看到的在没有pdp-5020fd精英,在黑人中失去了一些细节和过饱和的颜色在黑暗的房间里,虽然不像5020,在最佳的精英的光输出更接近我们的理想。当我们把房间里的灯光,额外的饱和度和黑人仍然有些碎,虽然画面都亮来弥补较亮的房间照明。我们当然要推荐的纯图像质量的爱好者,但那些喜欢自动调整图片可以做的比优化。
为pro-111fd图像质量进行了测试,一如既往,为并排比较部分。我们很幸运,有两个得分最高的高清电视,今年可供阵容,松下的th-50pz800u血浆和三星的ln46a950 LCD,并且我们也扔在60pg60 LG和三星,三星的ln52a650 pn50a650良好的措施。我们检查了钢铁侠蓝光,我们可靠的PlayStation3礼貌。
黑电平:自从去年的pdp-5080hd,先锋Kuro等离子显示了最深的整体黑色水平的任何电视,和pro-111fd趋势持续下去。我们没有今年非精英pdp-5020fd比较直接,但我们打赌它黑色的水平的性能是相同的,和pro-111fd出了其他表现在我们的比较轻松,包括松下、三星950液晶显示器。后者,当我们看到死中心,给pro-111fd其钱最近的运行,尽管绽放。在场景中几乎完全黑暗的,如35:08标记,当唯一的光是由绿色的轮廓和一台笔记本电脑提供的蓝色文本,三星的局部调光的LED将关闭并使其屏幕看起来比先锋更深一点。
但在幕后,绝大多数人,包括非常暗淡的——如4章中的洞穴其他场景——的先驱的黑电平的漆黑是最深的。信箱酒吧——黑暗的地区,像托尼斯塔克的黑色毛衣,黑色的阴影笼罩的士兵,和,在下一章中,阴影内的货运飞机——看上去都比其他任何显示漆黑,更现实的,虽然在松下的案例和三星,不同的是更多或更少微妙的,这取决于场景的整体亮度。在黑暗的场景,然而,这不是细微的一切。我们也赞赏先锋的高超的阴影的细节,其中,与那些深黑色的帮助下,超过任何东西在房间。像往常一样,那些深黑色借给冲床和影响的几乎每一个场景。
颜色精度:我们与非精英pdp-5020fd最大的抱怨是不准确的颜色,这是由缺乏调整加剧。精英解决了这些问题,虽然我们上面提到的,只是选择纯模式是足够的大多数人的调整。多亏了一个近乎完美的灰度,肤色,像辣椒面和“操作”的场景在僵硬的躯干,看起来更加自然和真实的比在松下,事实上,先锋测量显著小于松下到D65校准后。主要的颜色,如在美国国旗,红色和蓝色的和次要的贡献,如在下一章天青色,同样令人印象深刻的又一次接近高清标准,根据我们的测量,比任何其他显示器。该pro-111fd也保持其它任何显示最中性的黑色和暗灰色地带。
视频处理:该pro-111fd电影模式菜单提供了几个选项,其他大多数等离子电视没有发现。电影爱好者最重要的是所谓的“提前,”其目的是以每秒24帧的源的工作——即蓝光电影播放1080p / 24——在运动过程中保持看电影。不像松下,这同样的尝试与48hz模式(双膜机速率),先锋使用72Hz率提前,从而避免了我们看到的松下闪烁。
我们检查了托尼斯塔克的工作台锅(27:43成电影)比较先进和松下60Hz模式之间的标准与其它两60Hz的等离子体,与我们的PS3将1080p / 24输出,且差异显著。提前,整个图像在屏幕上滚动,顺利地在一个相对平稳的扫描,而在60Hz显示有一种故障或运行效果明显,当我们看到整个图片。我们喜欢看的先锋,但值得注意的是,它引入了更明显的解体个体对象在锅里,特别是明亮的,像一个咖啡杯,或一张便条纸上。当然,最主要的是先锋提供选择,所以如果你不喜欢,你可以选择提前去运行在标准的等离子体。
先锋还放在一个dejudder处理模式,这是常见的液晶显示器,但没有其他的血浆中发现的,称为平滑。通常我们不是球迷的dejudder任何形式时,看电影的电影,因为结果往往是一个更videolike外观比我们想看到的。在pro-111fd,然而,接合平稳上有没有影响我们看电影的基础材料。检查出一些场景在光滑的钢铁侠,找不到任何证据明显的平滑效果。抓我们的头,我们求助于场景中我是传奇,我们注意到随着平滑流畅的方式对5020fd文物。再次,这部电影看起来不平滑的所有;它显示了相同的抖动,我们注意到在标准模式,和同样是无伪影。唯一的一次,我们预计我们注意到光滑的方式执行时,观看演示了一个特殊的剪辑先锋提供。
(2008年10月28日更新)我们接触的先锋代表,得到一个解释,他们无法提供一个。他们告诉我们,无论是精英和非精英的平滑模式应执行相同的。我们要适可而止,按照我们的观察瘸腿的解释,“你可以选择不同的方式“平滑模式。
(进一步更新2008年11月5日)额外的观测证实,平滑模式操作比预期更零星。我们检查了锅从例如钢铁侠的工作台,有时会消除抖动和光滑,有时不。同去其他的电影,很难确定到底是什么造成了dejudder从事或不(我们不改变任何设置)。我们没有观察到这种零星的dejudder与任何其他显示,虽然是公平的天,我们觉得这是一个高清晰度电视这样的小问题,这是针对视频的人可能会想把dejudder拿掉。
我们期望从任何的1080p高清,解决每一个细节的pro-111fd 1080i和1080p的来源。它也适当的隔行扫描的电影和视频源,这不多的高清电视可以说。运动分辨率测试900和1000之间的线路,是我们对任何显示看到的最好的。像往常一样,我们发现很难识别在实际程序材料的这些优势的好处,而不是测试模式。
明亮的灯光:我们不想夸大其词,但我们一直认为先锋的反射屏最佳可用任何等离子体,和pro-111fd也不例外。与房间的灯光和窗帘打开,它很好的减反射,使他们比我们任何的比较显示的调光器。它还保持着深黑色的水平在明亮的房间几乎以及闪亮的筛选,三星液晶显示器。
标准的定义:不像其图像质量等方面的精英,有能力处理标准清晰度的来源不足,根据我们的测试与标准的DVD。细节很好,无论是在颜色条分辨率模式和石桥。但设置不尽可能消除锯齿移动对角线挥舞美国国旗为三星那样,但它仍然是相当好,在这部比松下。我们真的喜欢那些减少四的噪声控制,他们的工作非常出色,清理移动微尘在天空和日落。令人惊讶的是,精英失败2:3下拉我们的测试,允许莫尔é蔓延到看台消除简要后,无论电影模式或IP模式选择。通常,如果你连接到源尺度480i到一个更高的分辨率连接到电视在标准清晰度的性能是不相关的。
PC与数字连接,先锋的表现以及我们期望从任何1080P平板,提供一个1920x1080像素PC信号用锋利的每一行文字。我们看到一些边缘增强的标准设置,但选择纯或电影模式,或摇下来的清晰度,消除它完全。像往常一样,模拟连接令人失望,只接受分辨率高达1280x1024像素。自然图像看起来温柔和拉伸填满屏幕,因此我们建议电脑用户去的数字。
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发表于 2013-8-2 10:37 | 显示全部楼层
845008460 发表于 2013-8-2 10:01
我确实是很懒……不过这是先锋的变态机子,600A都不如它。

就600色彩而言很一般,末代机,你懂的。
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发表于 2013-8-2 10:43 | 显示全部楼层
是啊,没玩过先锋的Kuro怎么好意思说自己玩遍等离子呢?
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等离子我已经再也没有想法了!我现在只爱新马三!
PANASONIC 65VT20C+60ST50C+50PZ880C+50S25+42D25+37D25+32D25+BDT110+BD75+SONY PS3+YAMAHA+BOSE+JBL
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蒙特拉QI3 发表于 2013-8-2 11:33
等离子我已经再也没有想法了!我现在只爱新马三!

还以为你想想换液晶玩了[s:97]

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电视我真是没兴趣了!现在就研究车  发表于 2013-8-2 12:28
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发表于 2013-8-2 11:52 | 显示全部楼层
这机子不是停产的机子,只是不出口到中国,估计找KEN兄弟也法弄到。
真的想买这机子的话,找个靠谱点的代购网店或者找个海淘达人帮忙弄一下可行性还大一点,这机子在美国的amazon网站就有销售,60寸的价格5999美金,折合人民币37000左右




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本帖最后由 chncwk 于 2013-8-2 11:59 编辑
newlancerevo 发表于 2013-8-2 11:52
这机子不是停产的机子,只是不出口到中国,估计找KEN兄弟也法弄到。
真的想买这机子的话,找个靠谱点的代购 ...

这是新机还是库存机?有页面不等于有货吧。最后的留言都是2009年的了。
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chncwk 发表于 2013-8-2 11:55
这是新机还是库存机?有页面不等于有货吧。最后的留言都是2009年的了。

是新机还是库存机就搞不清楚了,货应该还是有的,60寸和70寸的页面上都写了“Only 1 left in stock"  
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chncwk 发表于 2013-8-2 11:55
这是新机还是库存机?有页面不等于有货吧。最后的留言都是2009年的了。

最后一条留言不是2009年的,是今年六月份的{:soso_e181:}


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发表于 2013-8-2 12:17 | 显示全部楼层
这东东不合切实,....估汁脑袋有点方喔{:soso_e112:}{:soso_e120:}
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搞得X200300就不错了
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