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6.5寸的钴磁全频,600出头一只,秒杀楼主推荐的箱子,秒杀..........
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楼主推荐的小箱子,真没啥性价比,真没有
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子弹版主好, 不知您是否已阅读了 TAS 的评测 ?

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评测 ?有时就是忽悠的代名词。。。当年美国最发烧杂志把法国三角一款落地箱放在HIEND A级推荐,呵呵,和 ...

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PIONEER SP-BS22 LR LOUDSPEAKER

sp-bs22 LR

The Devil and Mr. Jones



Equipment report



by Neil Gader  | Dec 13th, 2012

20121213|

Categories: Stand-mount  | Products: Pioneer SP-BS22 LR

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What are your expectations for a $129/pair loudspeaker? Not all that high I would guess. At the very least, youd expect it to work reliably, play reasonably loud, and not look too schlocky. But high-end sonics? Thats setting the bar way up there. And that was pretty much what I thought when the redesigned Pioneer SP-BS22 LR was presented to me for review. But there was one significant differencethe new BS22 sports a discrete signature on its back panel just above the binding posts: A. Jones.

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So whats in a name? This particular A. Jones is Andrew Jones, the British gentleman known principally for his exquisite designs for TAD Labs, the high-end wing of parent company Pioneer Electronics. However, hes also the chief speaker engineer for Pioneer, where the demands of that global titan include a broader-based, budget-conscious market. I cant speak for Mr. Jones ability to compartmentalize, but it does speak volumes about his creative rangea bit like engineering a McLaren one day and tinkering with a Mini the next. However, whether its designing the latest beryllium coincident transducer, or bringing the new TAD Evolution 1 ($29,000, review to come) or, in this case, the modest SP-BS22 LR to marketthe influence of Mr. Jones design cannot be taken lightly.

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To look at, the SP-BS22 LR is as conventional and unassuming as a speaker comes. Its a two-way bass-reflex design that tips the scales at little more than nine pounds. If you imagined its driver array as something along the lines of a TAD-derived coincident driver trickling down to the sub-$150 price point, think again. Mid/bass duties are handled by a prosaic four-inch driver with a structured-surface diaphragm to aid rigidity and fend off breakup modes. The one-inch soft-dome tweeter uses a large, custom- designed waveguide to control dispersion and increase sensitivity. Construction and fit and finish appear solid, consistent with todays made in China workmanship. The SP-BS22 LR speakers utilize a curved cabinet design, which adds stiffness to the enclosure and is said to reduce internal standing waves. (This last issue is less germane in small boxes than full-range enclosures.) Although SP-BS22 LR is small, its relatively low 85dB sensitivity means that it requires more than minimal power. Bass is better controlled and theres more of it with additional watts; plus, the added power enlivens dynamics and enriches tonality.

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But, like they say, the devils in the details, and the wildcard is the not-to-be-underestimated Jones Factor. What makes his concoction such a delight to listen to is how well he applies high-end values to such a small and (lets face it) cheap bundle. To be clear, my point is not that the BS22 somehow dethrones every loudspeaker below, say, five grand, but that Jones has hit the bulls-eye (it figures hes an archery buff) in the nature and proportion of the speakers many inevitable compromises.

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The BS22 has an honest tonal signature that doesnt pander to the lets move em sensibilities of big-box-store salesmen. It is remarkably free of sonic hype. From the outset I noted how quiet the cabinet was. There was little sense of a veil or cloud hanging over the soundstage, smudging images and restricting acoustic boundaries. The choristers of the Turtle Creek Chorale were firmly rooted in position during Rutters A Gaelic Blessing from his Requiem [Reference Recordings], and there was a well- defined, dimensional soundstage, albeit one that was somewhat abbreviated in depth and size.

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However, the essence of the BS22s performance is found in the quality of its midrange. Jones has fashioned a smooth, tonally ripe midband with just enough heft and weight behind vocal and instrumental images to provide reasonable dynamic and harmonic scale. The treble is surprisingly open, which lends overtones a fullness and dimensionality that are often lacking in blue-plate loudspeakers. The BS22 does roll off the top treble to some degree, giving sonics a darker and somewhat more forgiving character, but credit the waveguide tweeter for limiting dispersion at the lower end of the tweeter's passband so its dispersion more closely matches that of the upper end of the woofer's passband. As a result, vocals of either gender are tonally authentic rather than helium-breathing, Munchkin-like caricatures. On a track like Linda Ronstadts Poor Poor Pitiful Me from Simple Dreams [Asylum] the BS22 demonstrated canny balance, articulating low- level niceties while producing the weight and dynamic energy of the tracks rhythm section. Similarly Don Henleys high harmony during Jackson Brownes Colors of The Sun was fully realized with that distinctive smoky character soon to be made famous when he formed t

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PIONEER SP-BS22 LR LOUDSPEAKER

先锋sp-bs22 LR扬声器

The Devil and Mr. Jones

魔鬼和琼斯先生

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by Neil Gader  | Dec 13th, 2012

2012年12月13日,尼尔哈勒|

Categories: Stand-mount  | Products: Pioneer SP-BS22 LR

类别:站在山|产品:先锋sp-bs22 LR

What are your expectations for a $129/pair loudspeaker? Not all that high I would guess. At the very least, you’d expect it to work reliably, play reasonably loud, and not look too schlocky. But high-end sonics? That’s setting the bar way up there. And that was pretty much what I thought when the redesigned Pioneer SP-BS22 LR was presented to me for review. But there was one significant difference—the new BS22 sports a discrete signature on its back panel just above the binding posts: A. Jones.

你的129美元/双扬声器的期望是什么?不是所有的,我猜。至少,你会希望它可靠地工作,发挥相当响亮,不太差。但高端啊?这是设置栏的方式有。这几乎是我想当重新设计的先锋sp-bs22 LR提出了我的评论。但有一个显着的差异,新BS22运动离散签名在背面板上方的接线柱:A.琼斯。

So what’s in a name? This particular A. Jones is Andrew Jones, the British gentleman known principally for his exquisite designs for TAD Labs, the high-end wing of parent company Pioneer Electronics. However, he’s also the chief speaker engineer for Pioneer, where the demands of that global titan include a broader-based, budget-conscious market. I can’t speak for Mr. Jones’ ability to compartmentalize, but it does speak volumes about his creative range—a bit like engineering a McLaren one day and tinkering with a Mini the next. However, whether it’s designing the latest beryllium coincident transducer, or bringing the new TAD Evolution 1 ($29,000, review to come) or, in this case, the modest SP-BS22 LR to market—the influence of Mr. Jones’ design cannot be taken lightly.

这样的名字是什么?这种特殊的琼斯是安得烈琼斯,英国绅士主要为他点实验室,图案精美,母公司先锋电子高端翼。然而,他也为先锋的首席发言人工程师,其中包括更广泛的全球巨头的要求,预算意识到市场。我不能说琼斯先生的能力划分,但它大声说出他的创作range-a点像工程迈凯轮一天和摆弄下一个迷你。然而,无论是新的铍重合的换能器的设计,或带来新的TAD进化1(29000美元,审查来),在这种情况下,适度的sp-bs22 LR市场琼斯先生设计的影响不能掉以轻心。

To look at, the SP-BS22 LR is as conventional and unassuming as a speaker comes. It’s a two-way bass-reflex design that tips the scales at little more than nine pounds. If you imagined its driver array as something along the lines of a TAD-derived coincident driver trickling down to the sub-$150 price point, think again. Mid/bass duties are handled by a prosaic four-inch driver with a structured-surface diaphragm to aid rigidity and fend off breakup modes. The one-inch soft-dome tweeter uses a large, custom- designed waveguide to control dispersion and increase sensitivity. Construction and fit and finish appear solid, consistent with today’s “made in China” workmanship. The SP-BS22 LR speakers utilize a curved cabinet design, which adds stiffness to the enclosure and is said to reduce internal standing waves. (This last issue is less germane in small boxes than full-range enclosures.) Although SP-BS22 LR is small, its relatively low 85dB sensitivity means that it requires more than minimal power. Bass is better controlled and there’s more of it with additional watts; plus, the added power enlivens dynamics and enriches tonality.

看,这sp-bs22 LR是作为一个演讲者是传统的和谦逊的。这是一个双向的低音反射式设计,提示很少超过九磅的刻度。如果你想象的驱动器阵列沿一个点源同步驱动扩散到子150美元的价位的东西线,再想想。中/低音职责是由一个平淡无奇的四英寸驱动器具有结构化表面隔膜帮助刚度和抵御破碎模式处理。一英寸软球顶高音单元使用一个大型的,定制设计的波导色散和增加灵敏度控制。建设和适应和完成出现的固体,与今天的“中国制造”的工艺。该sp-bs22 LR扬声器使用弯柜设计,增加了刚度的外壳,说是减少内部驻波。(最后这个问题在小盒子比全方位的外壳。不恰当的是)虽然sp-bs22 LR是小,其相对较低的85dB的灵敏度意味着它需要更多的比功率最小。低音是更好的控制,有它的更多额外的瓦;另外,增加功率的活跃和丰富的色调变化。

But, like they say, the devil’s in the details, and the wildcard is the not-to-be-underestimated Jones Factor. What makes his concoction such a delight to listen to is how well he applies high-end values to such a small and (let’s face it) cheap bundle. To be clear, my point is not that the BS22 somehow dethrones every loudspeaker below, say, five grand, but that Jones has hit the bull’s-eye (it figures he’s an archery buff) in the nature and proportion of the speaker’s many inevitable compromises.

但是,正如他们所说,魔鬼在细节,和通配符是不容低估的琼斯因子。是什么使他捏造这样一个喜欢听他如何将是高端价值这样一个小的(让我们面对它)廉价束。很明显,我的观点是不是BS22不知通过每个扬声器的下面,说,五大,但琼斯已经击中靶心(这表示他是个射箭爱好者)的性质和说话人的许多不可避免的妥协的比例。

The BS22 has an honest tonal signature that doesn’t pander to the “let’s move ’em” sensibilities of big-box-store salesmen. It is remarkably free of sonic hype. From the outset I noted how quiet the cabinet was. There was little sense of a veil or cloud hanging over the soundstage, smudging images and restricting acoustic boundaries. The choristers of the Turtle Creek Chorale were firmly rooted in position during Rutter’s “A Gaelic Blessing” from his Requiem [Reference Recordings], and there was a well- defined, dimensional soundstage, albeit one that was somewhat abbreviated in depth and size.

有一个诚实的BS22色调签名不迎合“让他们“大盒子店销售人员的感情。它是声炒作非常自由。从一开始,我注意到安静的内阁。很少有意识的面纱或云笼罩的声音,图像和声学边界限制污染。在龟溪合唱团的团员都牢牢地扎根在的位置在鲁特的“盖尔祝福”从他的安魂曲[录音]参考,并有一个良好定义的,三维声场,虽然这一点有点简略的深度和大小。

However, the essence of the BS22’s performance is found in the quality of its midrange. Jones has fashioned a smooth, tonally ripe midband with just enough heft and weight behind vocal and instrumental images to provide reasonable dynamic and harmonic scale. The treble is surprisingly open, which lends overtones a fullness and dimensionality that are often lacking in blue-plate loudspeakers. The BS22 does roll off the top treble to some degree, giving sonics a darker and somewhat more forgiving character, but credit the waveguide tweeter for limiting dispersion at the lower end of the tweeter's passband so its dispersion more closely matches that of the upper end of the woofer's passband. As a result, vocals of either gender are tonally authentic rather than helium-breathing, Munchkin-like caricatures. On a track like Linda Ronstadt’s “Poor Poor Pitiful Me” from Simple Dreams [Asylum] the BS22 demonstrated canny balance, articulating low- level niceties while producing the weight and dynamic energy of the tracks’ rhythm section. Similarly Don Henley’s high harmony during Jackson Browne’s “Colors of The Sun” was fully realized with that distinctive smoky character soon to be made famous when he formed t

然而,该BS22性能的实质是其中发现的质量。琼斯已是一个完全成熟的光滑,带具有足够的分量和在声乐和器乐的图像质量提供合理的动态和调和音阶。三是令人惊讶的开放,使色彩丰满和维度,往往缺乏在蓝色平板扬声器。这是推出了顶高音BS22在某种程度上,给超音速的黑暗,更宽容的性格,但信贷限制分散在波导高音高音喇叭的通带的下端,其分散更紧密地匹配的低音扬声器的通带的上端。作为一个结果,不论男女主唱是完全真实的而不是氦的呼吸,芒奇金喜欢漫画。在轨道上像琳达Ronstadt的“可怜可怜我,“从简单的梦想] [庇护的BS22证明Canny平衡,低水平表达细节在生产量和轨道的节奏部分动能。同样,唐亨利的高度和谐统一在杰克逊布朗的“太阳的色彩”与独特的性格很快成为著名的当他形成充分的实现

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谢谢 lwqyl 兄, 我不晓得您是怎么翻译的, 虽然某些字句并非作者的原意, 但已相当贴切!(大约85% 正确) 非常感激您!

这也清楚的告诉那些持相反意见的朋友, 您想象的与实际的出入! 我还是坚持我自己的做法, 我等待了5个月, 就为做小心听了这个喇叭才敢发言, 但反观国内, 是有多少没听过, 就信口雌黄的人呢 ? 这是非常不负责任的, 也是国内音响评论能树立令人信服的障碍啊 !
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谢谢 lwqyl 兄, 我不晓得您是怎么翻译的, 虽然某些字句并非作者的原意, 但已相当贴切!(大约85% 正确) ...

老外不是傻子,他们是真正的市场定价,出啥声音给出啥价钱......这个箱子到中国加上运费,报关费,卖家利润....最终价格???讲到性价比厂机美之声云雀不过才3000,用的是ETON单元。一对钴磁6.5寸全频加箱体价格1500,呵呵......
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老兄的箱子在哪买的?

美国亚马逊,现在打折,只要99美金。正在转运回来国内。
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哈哈 在这里也能碰到猫版!进来捧捧场,这箱能比FE126吗?我觉得国外很多人用来作环绕箱.
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谢谢 lwqyl 兄, 我不晓得您是怎么翻译的, 虽然某些字句并非作者的原意, 但已相当贴切!(大约85% 正确) ...

百度翻译。

真是希望有搞团购
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jc9394 发表于 2013-6-9 12:13
哈哈 在这里也能碰到猫版!进来捧捧场,这箱能比FE126吗?我觉得国外很多人用来作环绕箱.

   你没过来新加坡, 不然就托你带过来 [s:14] 开玩笑啦 。。。。喇叭就便宜, 就是运输头疼。。。。
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jc9394 发表于 2013-6-9 12:13
哈哈 在这里也能碰到猫版!进来捧捧场,这箱能比FE126吗?我觉得国外很多人用来作环绕箱.

   你看得懂英语, 亲自读读 TAS 的评价吧 !

我听的时间短, 同时没有在音场漂亮的状况测试, 所以虽然, 第一印象,很不错, 都不敢在论坛上讲, 其实你细读 Neil Gader 的评价, 他已明显暗示, 这对喇叭的对手是过千美金的喇叭了
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美国亚马逊,现在打折,只要99美金。正在转运回来国内。

  运费到国内, 几米? [s:14]
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你没过来新加坡, 不然就托你带过来  开玩笑啦 。。。。喇叭就便宜, 就是运输头疼。。。。

哈哈 我去过新加坡就好了 行李箱肯定带套胆机:loveliness:
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