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支持波总,老叶文章又长又烂都是抄的!!!哎
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错误的东西,更应该经由辩论,让人们知道错误所在,从这个意义上,本人反对任何封账号的做法。[s:97] [s:97] [s:97] [s:97]
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你所说的某论坛是这个吗?http://www.hi-fiav.com/bbs/
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原帖由 123haha123 于 2010-12-16 20:36 发表
没有见过国内有卖的[s:18] ,连二手的自己也没见有人卖过。








1000英镑的先缝A-09纯音乐旗舰放大器————发布: 2009-11-12 16:45 | 作者: 叶荣玉 | 来源: 家电博客
其实,96年国内音响杂志公布的在欧洲的市价是1000英镑——————————————

1英镑=13.8695元人民币,那1000英镑=13869.5元人民币.这是今年4月30日的最新汇率.

[ 本帖最后由 叶荣玉 于 2009-11-13 11:25 编辑 ]

JPG PIONEER A-09.jpg

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liupeng666l (2009-11-12 16:49:29)

沙发

clk (2009-11-12 16:50:09)



叶荣玉 (2009-11-12 16:53:10)



7chia (2009-11-12 16:59:48)

牛 就一个字

北京欢迎 (2009-11-12 18:02:52)

QUOTE:
原帖由 叶荣玉 于 2009-11-12 16:45 发表
1992年开始生产售价43万日元,转帖都忽悠。你说的价格是你们家花的寅币吧?

xugl (2009-11-12 18:42:55)

PIONNER牌子不值钱,要换他家的另一个E牌就值这个价了!

K-BOY (2009-11-12 18:47:13)



铁蛋 (2009-11-12 19:34:02)

好像日系品牌中,先锋的确是比较弱小的,相对天龙、安桥、索尼来讲

勃总 (2009-11-12 19:46:01)

老叶以后转贴注意点,这个先锋决卖不到230万日币!

黄土 (2009-11-12 19:46:53)

看它的外观,就是不可能值那么多日元,真当日元是纸啊!

hazj5766 (2009-11-12 19:48:31)


哈哈哈,忽悠过头了。

经过 (2009-11-12 20:03:40)

PIONEER A-09
STEREO PRE-MAIN ANPLIFIER ¥430,000
パイオニアが1992年に発売した高級プリメインアンプ。パイオニアの歴史の中でも恐らく最高級機といえそうな
超弩級のプリメインアンプで,その思い切った設計と投入された物量は凄いものがありました。

A-09の一つ目の特徴は,ステレオ再生の理想を追求した,完全な左右対称のツインモノラル構造でした。中
央の電源部を中心に,左右に大電流回路のパワーブロックと後方中央に小信号系の入力ブロックをまとめたシ
ールドボックスを配置し,左右チャンネル回路を独立構成として,優れたチャンネルセパレーションを実現してい
ました。さらに,左右信号経路の長さやパーツ類の構成,素子や回路の動作に影響する,本体内の温度や磁
界分布,振動などの環境も均一化し,左右の電気的,機械的な特性誤差も徹底して抑えた設計がなされ,左
右のチャンネルの特性差を抑えた,徹底したツインモノラル構造となっていました。

定格出力 35W+35W(20Hz~20kHz,0.05%,8Ω)
70W+70W(4Ω)
ダンピングファクター 150(20Hz~20kHz,8Ω)
200(1kHz,8Ω)
入力端子
(感度/入力インピーダンス) PHONO MM 2.5mV/50kΩ
CD,TUNER,LINE,TAPE 150mV/50kΩ
BALANCE 150mV/600Ω
PHONO最大許容入力 PHONO MM(1kHz,0.05%)150mV
出力端子
(レベル/出力インピーダンス) TAPE REC 150mV/1kΩ
周波数特性 PHONO MM 20Hz~20kHz±0.2dB
CD,TUNER,LINE.TAPE 1Hz~150kHz+0,-3dB
S/N
(IHF-Aネットワーク,ショートサーキット) PHONO MM 87dB
CD,TUNER,LINE,TAPE 109dB
電源電圧 AC100V 50/60Hz
消費電力
(電気用品取締法) 220W
外形寸法 440W×198H×480Dmm
重量 28.8kg

ypx11212 (2009-11-12 22:15:28)

粘贴匠

音间 (2009-11-13 10:56:11)

日元会贬值,但先锋却会升值????

mhdt (2009-11-13 11:02:37)

看这么小一个电源牛,能卖23W日元就到顶了。

叶荣玉 (2009-11-13 11:17:44)

正式更正————430,000日元!!!!!上面有DX传贴!!!

lqh1218 (2010-3-02 17:39:26)

以为在卖

zhjzhjzhj (2010-3-02 17:57:49)

好机器

正宗上海老娘舅 (2010-3-02 17:58:44)

声音规规矩矩 听过

看热闹路过 (2010-3-02 18:06:17)

转自www.whathifi.com 价格是英镑,个人认为偏高,乘十得人民币价格较合理(高档的还是偏高)
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Cambridge AudioA180.0Jun 97Opt410300111
AristonAX-91080.0Ju 98Opt410300110
SonyTA-FE230100.0Dec 99mm320400111
Cambridge AudioA2100.0Nov 99No410250110
NAD310100.0Feb 99No410200110
Cambridge AudioA4120.0Oct 99No510500110
Cambridge AudioA1 Mk3 SE120.0Ju 99Opt410300110
RoteRA-921125.0Feb 99mm310250111
CreekOBH-11 headphone amp129.0Sep 97No10000001
Musica FideityX-Cans130.0Sep 97No10000001
TechnicsSU-V300 MkII130.0Dec 99mm320270121
PioneerA-107130.0Ju 99mm520300111
DenonPMA-250SE140.0Dec 99No410300111
MarantzPM4000150.0Dec 99mm321300121
PioneerA-207R150.0Oct 98mm321350111
NADC300150.0Jan 00No521250111
TechnicsSU-V500160.0Jan 95mm321300121
YamahaAX-392170.0Dec 99mm321600121
RoteRA-931 MkII175.0Dec 99mm310350121
KenwoodKA-F3010R180.0Ju 99mm2211000121
PioneerA-307R180.0Dec 99mm321450121
TechnicsSA-EX120180.0May 97mm221801111
TEACA-E2000180.0Dec 99No510500110
DenonPMA-350SE180.0Ju 99No510500011
DenonDRA-275RD200.0May 97mm221401121
SonyTA-FB730R200.0Sep 99mm321400121
PioneerSX-205RDS200.0May 97mm221401121
KenwoodKA-3020SE200.0May 96mm320350121
Cambridge AudioA500200.0Dec 99mm311500120
JVCAX-A372BK200.0Ju 99mm320450121
JVCAX-R5200.0Apr 99mm321400121
PioneerA-300R200.0Sep 99mm321350011
NADC320200.0Dec 99No721400111
TechnicsSU-A600 Mk3200.0Feb 97mm320370121
OnkyoA-9211200.0Oct 99mm321400121
DenonPMA-535R230.0Aug 99mm321500121
ArcamApha One230.0Sep 99No510350111
MarantzPM 6010 OSE230.0Sep 99mm321500011
Harman-KardonHK 630230.0May 99mm411400121
TechnicsSU-V620 MkII230.0Mar 00mm321700121
PioneerA-407R230.0Awd 98mm321450121
RoteRA-971 Mk II250.0Sep 99No420700121
YamahaRX-396RDS250.0May 99mm221551121
TechnicsSU-A700 Mk3250.0Oct 96mm321450121
DenonDRA-375RD250.0May 99mm221601121
NADC340270.0Apr 99No521500111
NAD710270.0Jan 98No320201110
Creek4330279.0Dec 98Opt410400010
YamahaAX-592280.0Apr 99mm3211000121
TechnicsSU-A808299.0Sep 99mm421550121
PioneerA-607R300.0Apr 99mm411600111
MarantzPM7000300.0Mar 00mm520950121
SonyTA-FB930R300.0Dec 99mm321650121
DenonPMA-735R300.0Apr 99mm321650121
ArcamApha 7R300.0Apr 99mm411450121
NAD712330.0May 99No321251121
TokenK50345.0May 99No510500010
MagnumIA 170350.0Ju 96Opt610700021
Creek4330R355.0Apr 99Opt411400010
Regauna375.0Jun 98mm410400010
ArcamApha 8R380.0Sep 98mm411500121
Deva Audio250399.0Apr 97mm320500010
NakamichiRE-10400.0Nov 99No4211001121
NAD317400.0Mar 97No421800111
MonrioAsty400.0Jan 98No510500010
KenwoodKA-7090R400.0Jan 98mm/mc321920121
MyryadT-40400.0Sep 99mm421500011
Edmund AudioESI 10400.0Jan 99No510850011
SonyTA-FA30ES400.0Sep 99mm/mc321700121
PioneerA300R Precision400.0Sep 99mm321450011
Creek5250450.0Jan 98Opt420500021
RegaMira450.0May 98mm410600010
Audio AnaoguePuccini475.0Sep 99mm/mc410400010
Musica FideityX-A1479.0Sep 99No510500010
OreeSA-100499.0Apr 97Opt610750010
Creek4330SE499.0Sep 99Opt411500010
Shearne2.5499.0Jan 98Opt520350011
DenonPMA-1500R500.0Sep 99mm/mc421700111
ArcamApha 9500.0Sep 99Opt421700121
NAD319500.0Sep 99No4211250111
SonyTA-F3000ES500.0Nov 97mm/mc321400111
Harman-KardonHK 690530.0Sep 99mm/mc6211000121
FDIntegrated 0549.0AU Sep 93No510500010
FDMistra549.0Jan 98No510500010
Tak EectronicsCycone 1550.0Sep 99Opt421650010
Sonic inkDM20 God598.0AU Oct 91mm/mc310300011
CyrusIIIi598.0Oct 96mm511500010
AchemistKraken Anniversary599.0Nov 94No510600010
Cymbo EectronicsCA1599.0Jan 98Opt510400010
CyrusMR3 Mutiroom Controer600.0Jan 98No201400010
AudionStering600.0Jun 97No101120010
PrimareA-20 MkII600.0Dec 98No401700010
NaimNait 3608.0Jun 98Opt320300010
Audio AnaoguePuccini SE635.0Jan 99mm/mc410500020
OreeSA-100RX649.0Jun 98Opt611750010
DensenBeat B-100650.0Mar 97Opt510600010
Creek5250SE665.0Jan 99Opt421600021
ShearnePhase 2689.0May 96Opt520500011
AchemistNemesis699.0Sep 95Opt510800010
Gamma AcousticsGemini699.0Feb 95No310120010
Thue AudioSpirit IA60B699.0Jan 99No611600110
MyryadMI120700.0Jan 99Opt421600011
Cyrus7700.0Nov 99No611600011
Sonic inkDM30725.0AU Aug 93mm/mc310250011
RegaEicit730.0Dec 97mm/mc310700010
MagnumIA200SE735.0Jun 98Opt4111050021
MagnumIA 200750.0Dec 96Opt4101050010
RoksanCaspian795.0Nov 99No511700010
OperaAida795.0Dec 99mm/mc411600020
innDirektor795.0Jan 98No311250010
TAG Mcaren60i799.0Jan 99No630600011
ShearnePhase 2 Reference799.0Feb 98Opt520500011
NaimNait 3R799.0Nov 99Opt321300010
FDIntegrated 0 (E)799.0Jun 98No510600010
ExposureSuper XX799.0Nov 99No410550010
innMajik800.0Nov 99mm/mc321330021
ArcamApha 10800.0Nov 99Opt5211000021
Meridian551845.0May 94Opt610500011
Musica FideityA3849.0Nov 99mm/mc421850010
ExposureSuper XV899.0Nov 95mm/mc310600020
CopandCSA-8900.0Jun 98No410600010
MarantzPM-17900.0Jun 98mm/mc421600111
RestekChaenger950.0Jun 98No8201300010
Unison ResearchA.R.I.A S.2995.0Jun 99No410120010
AVIS2000MI999.0May 96No5111000010
TAG Mcaren60iRv999.0Nov 98No631600011
EectrocompanietEC1-3999.0Jan 00No511750010
CredoIMP7031000.0May 96mm/mc521700010
Musica FideityX-A100R1000.0Aug 99No511750010
ExposureXXVRC1000.0Jun 98No611600020
PioneerA-071000.0Nov 95mm321700010
AchemistForseti APD15ARC1200.0Awd 99Opt5111000010
CopandCSA 281249.0Jun 98mm411600010
Audio NoteOto1300.0Aug 94mm/mc310120010
MarantzPM-17 KI-Signature1300.0Aug 98mm/mc421600111
BrystonB601300.0Feb 00No410600011
DensenDM-101375.0Nov 95Opt420750010
NVAAP801390.0Sep 97No510800010
NADS3001500.0Ju 99No311100000
SonyTA-FA777ES1500.0Mar 00mm/mc3301000121
PrimareA30.11500.0Nov 98Opt6211000010
CopandCTA-4011698.0Apr 92mm310300010
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KreKAV300i2590.0Jun 96No5111500010
Bow TechnoogyZZ-One Reference2995.0May 97No510750010
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PioneerA-094000.0Jun 99mm320350010
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[size=+3]Pioneer A-09
430,000yen(1992 release)

[size=-1]Description
[size=-1] 
In the inside of the certain requirements of "Integrated Amplifier in the technician of PioneerThe highest-class Integrated Amplifier which continued warming the idea ", six years supposing it expressed our will to the maximum extent, adopted the circuit design simple for "a straight sound", and also incorporated all the technologies that it can have, such as thought, technologies, etc., such as Exclusive C7, and was born.

The symmetrical twin monophonic structure is adopted.
Focusing on a central power-source part, the shielding TAP box which summarized input block of a small signal system right and left in the power block and the center of back of a large-current circuitry has been arranged, and the separation which was excellent with the symmetrical structure which considered the right-and-left channel circuitry as the independent stream composition is gained.
Moreover, it equalizes to environments, such as a temperature in the main unit which influences the length of right-and-left signal path length, or not only the stream composition of parts but an operation of an element or a circuitry, a magnetic-field distribution, an oscillation, and the occurrence of the electric and mechanical property error on either side is also held down.

The merit of the balance which linked two amplifier directly and was excellent, and the Integrated Amplifier from which compactness is obtained is as it is,In order to attain the purpose of the separate amplifier of operating the circuitry where the roles of a voltage amplification and current amplification differ proper, respectively, the pre power isolated rate structure is adopted.
An included preamplifier circuitry (from an input terminal to the voltage amplification stage) is shielded for a volume with a nonmagnetic aluminum TAP box,Furthermore, this TAP box has adopted the floating structure supported with a chassis through vibration suppression rubber, the power-source part also considered the pre part and the power part as the independent stream composition from the rectifier circuit, and thorough separation-ization is realized.
Also electrically and physically an isolated rate is formed so that a delicate input signal may not cause the tone-quality failure by the circuitry interference from a power part, a variation of a power-source part, and oscillation by this, and it has a structure which can also be called the separate amplifier in a set.

The advanced direct construction into which the direct construction which shortens a signal path as much as possible was developed further is carried.
The signal changeover relay and the volume unit were controlled from the front panel just behind the input terminal, and input block is arranged back. Furthermore, much more shortest-ization is realized by having arranged 16 power transistors of a power block back collectively.
From input block, a signal is direct led to power amplifier, and batch processing is carried out in amplifier back, and it has attained large shortening of the path between Puri Power who became a noise source easily, and between power speaker terminations.
Moreover, it is that the buffer amplifier which the inside of an input circuit also arranged the signal changeover relay immediately after the input terminal, and has improved the crosstalk between each source greatly, and also was mounted on the same substrate as a relay carries out a low-impedance drive,The outstanding channel separation by low-impedance-izing of a circuitry is realized.

A power amplifier part is expanding the original super linear circuit which carried out the pure Class-A operation and which Pioneer has cultivated to the last stage of a large current, in spite of final-stage a unreturned stream composition, attained 0.05% of low distortion, and also has realized the high dumping factor 200.

The one molding silence chassis of the newly developed high precision is adopted as a chassis.
The torsion-proof property, the impact property-proof, and the newly developed special resin material excellent in secular change are developed and adopted. The internal and external oscillation is efficiently reduced by making it the form which suited each block at the same time this supports a main unit firmly.
An electromagnetic-induction noise and a magnetic distortion are sharply controlled for nonmagnetic.

The stack type electrolytic capacitor of a low flux noise developed in pure first class amplifier is adopted as a power-source part, and capacity sufficient with low flux density and a power transformer with the outstanding regulation property are adopted, and the flux noise is stopped low.

The handmade attenuator type with the same basic structure as what was adopted as Exclusive C7 is adopted as a volume.
Unlike that to which it constitutes from the carbon resistor and high precision contact which selected one step carefully at a time, and a sound volume is changed by general slide resistor, there is little influence by a temperature, humidity, etc., the level difference of the tone-quality transition and right and left by contact resistance is eliminated, and the stable control is enabled.

In order to pierce through the design of a tone-quality first priority, it is dared to omit attached functionalities, such as a tone control, a balance, a loudness, and the speaker output is also made into one line. While this suppresses the delicate influence by the circuitry or switchpoints, shortest-ization of the event of a product-line step or a signal path is enabled.
Moreover, the grounding side of each input source was also changed simultaneously, and the separate grounding design which eliminates the signal interference between the connection assemblies from the grounding side is adopted.

The Phono equalizer has 1 chip dual FET input composition.

The input terminal carries one balance input and has adopted the reliable gilding termination as all the terminations.
Moreover, the speaker terminal has adopted the large-sized vice type.

The mass very-thick type OFC power cord is adopted. This power cord has adopted the scheme pulled out out of a case from just under a power transformer, and is reducing the influence of external noise.

the high-class type carried out aluminum Naked shaving appearance, and the rotary knob, and the resistor and capacitor which were selected carefully are adopted.

The fraction which makes the generated heat absorb by having carried out the intensive placement of the power transistor, and the fraction diffused effectively were distributed, and the new heat-dissipation structure where consideration was carried out to the location of a heat sink, form, and the path into which air flows is adopted.
Moreover, the new type which changes the length of a fin and suppresses a vibration is adopted as the heat sink made from aluminum.


[size=-1]Rating of a mode[size=-1]
[size=-1]Form [size=-1]Stereo Integrated Amplifier
[size=-1]Output power (both channel drive) [size=-1]35W+35W (8 ohm, 20Hz - 20kHz, 0.05%)
70W+70W (4ohm)
[size=-1]Dumping factor (8ohm) [size=-1]150 (20Hz - 20kHz)
200(1kHz)
[size=-1]Input sensitivity/impedance [size=-1]Phono man month: 2.5mV / 50kohm
compact disk, Tuner, Line, Tape:150mV /, 50kohm
Balance: 150mV/600 ohm
[size=-1]Phono maximum permissible input [size=-1]man month: 150mV (1kHz, 0.05%)
[size=-1]An Output voltage/impedance [size=-1]Tape Rec: 150mV / 1kohm
[size=-1]Frequency characteristic [size=-1]Phono man month: 20Hz-20kHz±0.2dB
compact disk, Tuner, Line, and Tape:1Hz-150kHz+0 -3 dB
[size=-1]S/N (IHF, A network)
Short circuit
[size=-1]Phono MM:87dB
compact disk, Tuner, Line, Tape: 109dB
[size=-1]Supply voltage [size=-1]AC100V, 50Hz/60Hz
[size=-1]Power consumption (Electrical Appliance and Material Control Law) [size=-1]220W
[size=-1]Dimensions [size=-1]Width 440x height 198x depth of 480mm
[size=-1]Weight [size=-1]28.8kg


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这回非把叶荣玉轰趴![s:41] [s:41] [s:41] [s:41] [s:41]

[s:20] [s:20] [s:20] [s:20] [s:20] [s:20] 坚决支持!!!!!!
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勃总一招“移花接木”的招就好多人把注意力从他的身上转移到了老叶身上,他在旁边看白戏,你们在流大汗,勃总正是阴险毒辣撒!
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我路过的。。你们继续........[s:97] [s:97] [s:97]
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支持勃总揭露真相。
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[s:97] 老叶人呢?
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还好还好进来看了一下

本来明天就要回去揭阳,接着去汕头那个你们说的JS那里买JBL或者是雅马哈1000的,谢谢波总哈
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