北美3D PDP评测 三星PN50C8000和松下P50VT25

draja

Samsung PN50C8000 3D TV

3D TV Buying Guide Feature OverviewSamsung's new line up of plasmas was on display at CES 2010 and the C8000 series is the top of the line. The 1080p panel uses Samsung's Real Black Filter for a rich image. The C8000 series is 3D ready and features a slim design with a brushed titanium Touch of Color for a stylish, modern look.
Samsung's proprietary 3D enabled system allows compatibility with multiple 3D formats to provide access to 3D content from many sources. As we note often, the TV will obviously perform regular two dimensional duties, but is enabled for 3D should you introduce some 3D content.
The C8000 series comes with 4 HDMI inputs, 2 USB ports and a built in ethernet port for access to Samsung's Internet@TV service. Wireless DLNA capability rounds out the connectivity features of this plasma tv. We were very impressed with 2009 Samsung plasmas, see our review of the 5 series plasmas here.
Samsung is expanding their Internet@TV service to add streaming content from Blockbuster, Netflix USA Today and VUDU video on demand as well as access to services such as Twitter, Picasa, AccuWeather, Pandora and more through the built-in ethernet connection or optional WiFi.
-Phil Conner
Review Highlights
Calibration Notes and Processing Testing: The Samsung PN50C8000 has very complete calibration options including white balance adjustment for Cyan, Magenta, and Yellow in addition to the primary colors. The TV calibrated extremely well with a low error rate after adjusting white balance. With our HQV processor testing, the C8000 passed most tests with good to very good results from both standard definition and HD sources. See those results and complete PN50C8000 Picture Settings here.

A shot from the Blu Ray of Alexander shows vivid but realistic color information with great contrast.

3D TV Viewing: The C8000 and accompanying 3D glasses did a good job of pulling me further into the on screen images. It makes you feel more involved. I thought the picture presentation from the C8000 in 3D was very vibrant and accurate. I did not note out of focus areas near the edges of the screen as I did with the Panasonic VT25. There was some flashing effects from the 3D shutter glasses in situations where lamp light or window light interfered with the glasses receiver (often when turning your head). See our Samsung vs Panasonic 3D TV Shootout.

Internet: Samsung has expanded the Internet lineup on the PN50C8000 to include Yahoo!, Netflix, Blockbuster, twitter, Facebook, USA Today, Pandora, Napster, You Tube, Google Maps, Daily Motion, and Samsung Apps which gives options on gaming and sports and other material. This is an impressive list of Internet options for the C8000 series, probably the most complete in the marketplace. Samsung is adding new options at a faster rate than many TV manufacturers.

The rechargeable Samsung 3D shutter glasses are charged through the USB out on the TV or a computer.

If you shop it right you can get a nice package with this TV including the Blu Ray 3D player and 3D glasses. This is important because they can add another $350 and $200 respectively to your purchase. The PN50C8000 costs around $2400 from most big box retailers.

Key Features

• 50" Screen Size
• 1080p Resolution
• Real Black Filter
• 3D Ready
• 24p Film Playback
• 4 HDMI Inputs
• Ethernet Port
• 2 USB Ports
• USB 2.0 Movie
• All Share (Wireless DLNA)
• 1" Deep, slim design
• Wide Color Enhancer Pro
• Motion Judder Canceller
• Cinema Smooth
• Brushed Titanium Touch of Color
• FilterBright Plus anti glare screen
• Internet@TV
  • Samsung Apps
  • Blockbuster
  • Netflix
  • AccuWeather
  • Pandora
  • Picasa
  • Twitter
  • USA Today
  • And More

Samsung

Buy New $1,797.00

draja

Panasonic Viera TC-P50VT25

Plasma TV Buying Guide CommentsPanasonic's new flagship line of Viera Plasmas is the VT25 series. These new Full HD 3D plasmas feature the new 1080p Infinite Black Pro panel with a stated 5,000,000:1 native contrast ratio. The VT25 series meet the THX certification and include THX Movie Mode which sets the TV up for optimum movie viewing right out of the box. The VT25's Full HD 3D sends a full 1080p image to each eye for the complete HD 3D experience. One pair of 3D eyewear is included with each plasma.
Panasonic's Viera Cast features returns with new additions. Wireless capability or the built in ethernet port allow instant access to content such as Netflix, Amazon Video on Demand, Skype video calling and conferencing, Bloomberg News Service, YouTube, Twitter and more. Viera Link allows for similarly equipped items to communicate and integrate into a home entertainment hub with added features.
4 HDMI Inputs, 2 USB Ports, PC Input and RS232C give plenty of connection options and Viera Image Viewer allows for easy viewing of still images and HD video from an SD memory card.
We were more impressed with the Panasonic plasma HD 3D experience than almost any other at CES 2010. Upon first view we noticed that the 3D presentation is smoother and does not wear on the eye as much as some of the LCD 3D models. During a lengthy discussion with Panasonic technology experts at the show, we learned that this is partly due to the 600hz sub field drive allowing for full 1080p-resolution to each eye. This differs greatly with even a 240Hz frame rate LCD which will allow for a max of around 800 lines of reslution in 3D. It showed. We also discussed viewing angles with 3D content as a possible plus for plasma over LCD. I did not notice this as being too much of an issue when I tested 3D on a couple of LCDs later at CES though I think it will warrant a more thorough test later this year.
Thanks to Pansonic's staff we were able to view and test the Skype enabled (through USB) feature at CES 2010. Though you must purchase the camera adjustment seperately this is a nifty option for Grandmoms the country wide to be able to view those grandchildren without straining to see them on a small monitor. It probably will not matter much to them that there is considerable lip sync lag time (due to transmission and not the TV). The picture quality during Skype transmission was not crisp or even very colorful - but it gets the job done in 50, 54, 58 or 65 inches which will make it a useful feature to many.
Panasonic was quick to point out its new energy savings technology to us at CES 2010 which they stated was 40% more efficient. This is due in large part due to their new NEO PDP (plasma display panel) factory in Nagasaki Japan. The new NEO PDP panel design allows for major savings on the power supply inside the plasma panel. A smaller power supply helps in two ways, first it's one of the most expensive components in a plasma panel and thus costs have been significantly reduced by accomplishing a smaller supply. Second, the smaller supply helps with reducing the wattage intake of the TV, reducing your power bill. Panasonic states that the new NEO PDP panel plasma models are 40% more efficient.
Are plasma TVs now as energy efficient as LCD TVs? No, LCD on average still uses less power. Panasonic was quick to point out the difference in savings however at around $1 to $2 per month in energy savings. They posed the question, "How many hundreds of dollars more is the consumer willing to pay for this kind of savings (in an LCD)?"
We've noticed Panasonic plasma TVs improving the brightness of its TVs over the past couple of years. Apparently, 2010 will continue this trend as Panasonic is still gaining on LCD technology in the brightness area. Panasonic representatives explained that 2010 model will be still brighter than 2009 models with the new NEO PDP while still going for a deeper black dimension.
Panasonic did not appear to concentrate on the super thin TV presentation at CES 2010 as did many of the LCD manufacturers. Though we did not measure depth in the new Pansonic lineup it looked to be about the same as 2009 on the series at around a 3.5" depth. Panasonic stated that it was not a big focus this year. This will likely translate to very attractive price points on the 2010 Panasonic plasma models.
-Robert Wiley
Review Highlights

This HD Blu Ray shot from Blood Diamond shows off the light throughput and vibrant colors of the VT25.

Picture Quality and Performance: With both HD sources and standard definition content the VT25 produced a very vibrant, colorful, vivid image even after being toned down during our calibration. This TV is like a difficult to control race horse, that doesn't know when and where to focus its energy. The panel light on the VT25 is extremely powerful. The plasma 3D TV has a tendency toward over saturation with tons of light flowing through color information – providing a bright picture. Motion artifacts and background noise are present, more with standard definition programming than with HD.

A shot from standard definition DVD Perfume shows very saturated color information.

Aesthetic Considerations: Panasonic doesn't appear to have entered the contest when it comes to 2010's TV aesthetics. They answered, "not present," even with their top end entries. The VT25's looks hearken back to yesteryear. The bezel framing is black gloss plastic at 2" on top and 2.25" on the sides giving the TV a large frame with no real design quality. The dark teal color of the screen (when off) contrasts with the black gloss frame in an unappealing manner. Panel depth at 3.5" also ignores the trend toward thin and sleek.

Left: The VT25 employs a new oval stand allows a 17 degree swivel.
Right: We were not fans of the unattractive contrast between the wide 2.25" bezel and the dark teal green screen on the VT25

3D TV: Obviously the TV has 3D capability as an added feature. Our evaluation of the performance of the feature was satisfactory.

Though prices are a bit higher for 3D TV compatibility, Panasonic has not been able to keep the price too high due to aggressive moves by Samsung. The TC-P50VT25 is priced around $2400 and may come packaged with extra 3D glasses and 3D Blu Ray player.

Infinite Black PanelA new panel and improvements to the cell discharge area dramatically increase contrast when viewing in brightly lit locations. And reducing the electrical pre-discharge that causes graying has greatly enhanced black gradation. As a result, deep, rich blacks are displayed in virtually any viewing area, from living rooms to bedrooms. Even in dark film scenes, fine textures such as on clothing, are clearly reproduced.

3D Capability

Nothing is hotter this year than 3D TV, Panasonic's 3D capable plasma TVs are the only 3D capable televisions that show the full 1080 lines of resolution to each eye.
Internet ConnectivityVIERA Cast's brings online content direct to your TV - in addition to the popular contents such as YouTube and Picasa Web Albums, it now offers Pandora® Internet Radio, movies streamed from Netflix, exciting sports from FOX Sports, and even web communications with Twitter. It also provides USB terminals for a keyboard and Wireless LAN Adaptor. No PC required.
THXTHX reproduces film images as the filmmakers intended them. The overall aim was to improve the experience of cinema-goers and faithfully recreate the audio and visual ambience that filmmakers intended. To receive THX certification, TVs undergo stringent tests to determine, for example, whether the exact same brightness and color are displayed at all screen locations, and whether black levels satisfy standard criteria.

Skype

VIERA Cast's addition of Skype makes it possible for people around the world to connect and communicate through voice and video calls from the comfort of their own living room on VIERA's large screen.
Viera Image ViewerIt's easy to view full-HD images with the SD card slot. Watch and show your photos and motion images right after you take them. Simply insert an SD Memory Card into your VIERA HDTV to display photos and full-HD videos on the large screen. You can also choose from among 5 types of background music and 5 display effects. It's much more fun when you can view them on a large screen HDTV with family and friends.
Key Features

• 50" Screen
• Full HD 3D with included pair of eyewear
• 1080p Resolution
• 600Hz Sub-field Drive
• 24P Cinematic Playback
• Infinite Black Pro Panel
• Digital Cinema Color
• THX Certified Display
• 4 HDMI Inputs
• PC Input
• Two USB ports
• RS232C and ISFccc
• VIERA CAST allows instant access to content such as:
  • Amazon Video on Demand
  • YouTube
  • Picasa
  • Bloomberg
  • Netflix
  • Skype
  • Pandora
  • Twitter
  • Fox Sports
• 100,000 Hour Lifespan
• VIERA Image Viewer with AVCHD Playback
• VIERA Link communicates with other VIERA Link equipped devices
• Lead and Mecury Free Construction
• Energy Star 4.0

Best Price $2,188.00
or Buy New $2,359.00

richzz

8000比VT25评分还高？？

draja

Top 5 3D TVPanasonic TC-P50VT25 3D TV     
50" 3D Plasma TV
Panasonic's new flagship line of Viera Plasmas is the VT25 series. These new Full HD 3D plasmas feature the new 1080p Infinite Black Pro panel with a stated 5,000,000:1 native contrast ratio. The VT25 series meet the THX certification and include THX Movie Mode which sets the TV up for optimum movie viewing right out of the box. The VT25's Full HD 3D sends a full 1080p image to each eye for the complete HD 3D experience. One pair of 3D eyewear is included with each plasma.
We were more impressed with the Panasonic plasma HD 3D experience than almost any other at CES 2010. Upon first view we noticed that the 3D presentation is smoother and does not wear on the eye as much as some of the LCD 3D models. During a lengthy discussion with Panasonic technology experts at the show, we learned that this is partly due to the 600hz sub field drive allowing for full 1080p-resolution to each eye. This differs greatly with even a 240Hz frame rate LCD which will allow for a max of around 800 lines of reslution in 3D. It showed.

Samsung UN55C7000 3D TV     
55" 3D LED TV
Samsung's 7000 series LED TVs for 2010 feature a new contemporary design thanks to the LED edge lighting. In fact the depth of the unit looked to us to be around the same 1.2 inches in depth from the 2009 model. The big difference that we noticed at CES 2010 in aesthetics was the much smaller bezel/frame which was only about 1 inch on top and sides of the TV screen. On the 7000 series LED TV line the Touch of Color is called "Mystic Earth".
Samsung's proprietary 3D enabled system allows compatibility with multiple 3D formats to provide access to 3D content from many sources. As we note often, the TV will obviously perform regular two dimensional duties, but is enabled for 3D should you introduce some 3D content. We viewed DirecTV 3D enabled content on this series. We noticed some eye straining when the picture changed scenes or programming. We believe this was due more to the content than the TV.

Samsung PN50C8000 3D TV     
50" 3D Plasma TV
Samsung's new line up of plasmas was on display at CES 2010 and the C8000 series is the top of the line. The 1080p panel uses Samsung's Real Black Filter for a rich image. The C8000 series is 3D ready and features a slim design with a brushed titanium Touch of Color for a stylish, modern look.
Samsung's proprietary 3D enabled system allows compatibility with multiple 3D formats to provide access to 3D content from many sources. As we note often, the TV will obviously perform regular two dimensional duties, but is enabled for 3D should you introduce some 3D content.

Samsung LN46C750 3D TV     
46" 3D LCD TV
Samsung isn't only producing LED backlit LCDs for 2010, the C750 line of CFL backlit LCDs contains many of the features of the more expensive LED TVs at a more affordable price. The C750 uses Samsung's 1080p, 240Hz "Ultra Clear" panel. WHile we found the motion blur reduction of the AutoMotion Plus 240Hz and 120Hz impressive during sports programming we didn't like the effect it had on picture depth in film programming.
This LCD is 3D ready like all of the LED line up, Samsung's proprietary 3D enabled system allows compatibility with multiple 3D formats to provide access to 3D content from many sources.

Panasonic TC-P504VT25 3D TV     
54" 3D Plasma TV
Panasonic's new flagship line of Viera Plasmas is the VT25 series. These new Full HD 3D plasmas feature the new 1080p Infinite Black Pro panel with a stated 5,000,000:1 native contrast ratio. The VT25 series meet the THX certification and include THX Movie Mode which sets the TV up for optimum movie viewing right out of the box. The VT25's Full HD 3D sends a full 1080p image to each eye for the complete HD 3D experience. One pair of 3D eyewear is included with each plasma.
We were more impressed with the Panasonic plasma HD 3D experience than almost any other at CES 2010. Upon first view we noticed that the 3D presentation is smoother and does not wear on the eye as much as some of the LCD 3D models. During a lengthy discussion with Panasonic technology experts at the show, we learned that this is partly due to the 600hz sub field drive allowing for full 1080p-resolution to each eye. This differs greatly with even a 240Hz frame rate LCD which will allow for a max of around 800 lines of reslution in 3D. It showed.

draja

原帖由 richzz 于 2010-9-13 12:41 发表
8000比VT25评分还高？？

只转帖不说话

我觉得应该差别不大，同级别机器

umi

C8000比C7000好在哪?
中國上不上C8000?

draja

但因为价格差距较大，所以北美松下占有率不如三星

demeanor

原帖由 draja 于 2010-9-13 12:45 发表
但因为价格差距较大，所以北美松下占有率不如三星

主要是质量问题。
http://www.jd-bbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=2345654&highlight=

潜龙谍影snake

一切以CNET US的评测为依据！！


什么时候CNET US说SAMSUNG PNXXC8000 better than PANASONIC


VT25，棒子才出来叫嚣吧！！

枪手脑残

有对手总比垄断强

  支持棒子~~~

draja

原帖由 demeanor 于 2010-9-13 13:34 发表


主要是质量问题。
http://www.jd-bbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=2345654&highlight=

你说反了吧，质量差占有率还高？

passarella

松下等离子的占有率在北美和拉美都比三星高的，三星等离子在欧洲占有率不错。至于液晶，那三星是世界第一的出货量。

passarella

三星的销售很牛的

passarella

国内的新闻根本没有多大的参考依据

didiao2

原帖由 潜龙谍影snake 于 2010-9-13 13:38 发表
一切以CNET US的评测为依据！！


什么时候CNET US说SAMSUNG PNXXC8000 better than PANASONIC


VT25，棒子才出来叫嚣吧！！

潜龙兄看不上棒子货的态度是不是可以改改了，三星做的还不错啊，我是没来论坛前在卖场仅凭自己的眼睛选的三星液晶，要来论坛再去买的话估计就是VT20了，呵呵

不过市场还是检验一切产品的唯一标准，好的产品也需要好的营销，有好的技术不一定是老大，光是吹牛没好产品一样也当不了老大，很简单的道理。