三星顶级等离子PS58C7000VS松下顶级等离子P50VT20

jieyi684

关于最近大家一直在讨论这两款机器的人较多。。。。今天我把收集到的资料都给大家看一下。。。。让大家心中也有个数。。。。当然最重要的还是自已可以到卖场都去看看。。。。这样就八 九不离开十。
还有要感谢一下潜龙兄一直对这个论坛的贡献，没有他就没有更多的人在第一时间看更多电视的资料，对各个品牌的了解，各个品牌的新闻发布会，各个机器的对测，对这个论坛的人气提高等等。。但要给你提个小意见---------就是别人买了自已的电视机过后你一般都要来推荐松下VT20，比如说你为什么不选松下VT20，他很吊等等。。如果没有买呢你可以推荐，如果买了呢，就没有必要经常这样说了。。 可以理解你对这台机器的热爱。。
就好比你刚刚买了BMW，拿给大家看看，你一上来就说为什么不选奔驰呢。。。呵呵。。好了，不多说，说下面的正事、 PNC7000<PNC8000  PNC8000和PSC8000和PSC7705是一样的。。。松下VT20和VT25是一样的。USA的三星是PN开头。。中国，澳大利亚是PS开头，英国是PSC7705.. PNC8000就是中国的PSC7000哈。
http://www.3d-tvbuyingguide.com/3dtv-reviews/3d-tv-shootout.html  这个是外国一个等离子专业论坛对比的两台机器，对比是从黑位，色彩，3D，外观，眼镜，遥控器等综合评价，三星得分高于松下。。

http://reviews.cnet.com/2795-6482_7-387.html?tag=featuredStory  这个是USA 的CNET的评价，大家可以仔细看看综合评分，松下是高于PNC7000的，就只是稍稍高于。。但没有PNC8000的打分，很奇怪。。

http://dennisthomsen.dk/2010/07/samsung-ps63c7705-pn63c8000-review-and-settings/
http://dennisthomsen.dk/2010/08/samsung-ps63c7705-pn63c8000-test/                                                            这三个也是专业数据对比。。。最后在黑位方面BLACK LEVEL上要越输于先锋KURO500A和松下VT20。
http://dennisthomsen.dk/2010/08/samsung-c7705-plasma-black-level-at-50hz-vs-60hz-vs-cinema-smooth/
不过说的是下一次三星在升级firmware能解决这个问题。。话说firmware，要表扬一下三星，速度很快，每一次更新都有改善。。

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-tvs/1257307-help-panasonic-plasma-mll-50hz-vs-60hz-vs-24p.html    这是松下的。。。不错。。

http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1250863 这个是外国AVS FORUM Panasonic VT25 or Samsung PNC8000 的对比：

其中有一个网友都有这两台机器他从十点比较出发：因为我们国内很难有两台机器的人。。。这是最重要的。。。。
I had both. The TC-P54VT25 and now a PN58C8000.

I don't agree with alot of the comments.

1st. They are both top of the line plasmas.

2nd. The samsung has zero flicker. The panasonic is unwatchable at 48hz. Just play Avatar at 48hz and you can see this for yourself. The motion judder on the panasonic works better. But the Samsung in cinema smooth (wich greys out the motion judder option) is flawless smooth.

3rd. 3D.. They both do a great job. The samsung plasma does not fade out when you tilt the glasses. That is an LED/LCD issue. IMO.. Plasma for 3D is the way to go. The benifit of the samsung is that it plays 3D files through the USB media Jack. The panasonic cannot. The samsung can convert any source from 2D to 3D.. This feature is worth it's weight in gold considering there is very little 3D content available. It adds depth, not screen pop outs. I watched Star Wars in converted 3D and it was Amazing! I Also want to point out that samsung has a ton of 3D options and allows adjustable depth. The panasonic does not. The samsung 3D has ghosting issues. A recent firmware has resolved that. Which reminds me.. Both are firmware upgradable. So I'm sure more good things are yet to come.

4th. The panel. Both, the panasonic and samsung have a black anti glare screen. Both can crank out bright whites. The whitest plasmas to date.

5th. Jacks. The panasonic has no left/right analog audio outs, just a single digital out. The samsung has both. Both have 4 HDMI 1.4 in jacks. The panasonic has two componant in jacks. The samsung has one compotant in Jack. Both have a PC in Jack. Both have USB in jacks.

6th. Picture adjustments. Both sets are fully loaded. On the samsung you adjust the individual color space of red, green, blue, yellow, magenta, and cyan. Which goes beyond the panasonic's red, green, blue. Both have ample noise reductions. The panasonic has three. The samsung two. The 3rd on the panasonic is mosquito. They are worded differantly on both sets so some may take cate of other issues as well. The panasonic has a THX mode, which is closest to 6500k. Too me that is too washed out, but that is the referance THX standard. You can adjust the samsung to that very easily in cinema mode. Both sets have great sharpness. The samsung has edge enhancement on/off. The panasonic has something similar under it's pro menu called vertical contour. It worked very well. Better then the samsung's edge enhancement. Which to this day I cannot see a differance with it on/off. Black level. Fantastic on both sets. Some say the panasonic's black level rises over time. I did not see this. I know this was a 2009 panasonic issue. As of now, I say it's a rumor until proven.

7th. Screen size. They both come in 50". Then 54" for the panasonic, 58" for the samsung. Then 65" for the panasonic, and 63" for the samsung. So I consider this equal. Enough sizes to please everyone.

8th. What about the buzzing noise from samsung? Well I've owned two samsung plasmas. A PN50B650, and currently the PN58C8000. Both of them are super quiet! Zero buzzing noise what so ever. Do some buzz? Maybe.. I saw one on YouTube with a cracked screen and it was buzzing! If my new set did buzz I would exchange it.

9th. Price. The panasonic cost more than the samsung.

10. Misc. The samsung has less dithering when looking very close to the screen. Like, within 6". On the panasonic you can see what looks like the pixels are constantly dancing. This has nothing to do with the built in IR protection. This is in all plasmas, some handle it better than others. The samsung had some very faint vertical banding from the on screen menus. Just a poor choice in design as compared to the large blue self contained menu box of the panasonic. I didn't notice this on the panasonic when going through the menus. Content. They both go online. The both do YouTube etc. This years samsung is very fast compared to last years. The samsung just has a whole lot more content choices then the panasonic's viera cast.

So now The Big Question. Why did I take my TC-P54VT25 back and get the PN58C8000. I simply fell in love with the 2D to 3D conversion, plus the extra 4" of the samsung fit my room better. But the nail in the coffin was the fact that the remote sensor for the panasonic was in the center. My sound bar blocked it and I couldn't use the panasonic remote for the TV. Samsung's remote sensors are off the sides of the TV. So my sound bar did not block them.

All in all.... Both great sets, both have great blacks, both have great 3D. You cannot go wrong with either. Pick the one you feel will look better in your room. I do want to add that panasonic did a great job on setting up the colors right out of the box. At the store it may appear to be more colorful, but the samsung can be adjusted to look the exact same. So don't be fooled by that. Manufacturers are known for this. Mits use to tweak the greens. Sony the yellow/gold.. I still say wheel of fortune looks the best on a Sony!

Well, that was my two cents.. Good luck.
我认为在这篇贴子上来看都是各有千秋。。。。。有好有坏。。。。最终表明他们都是好很的3D 等离子。。。

http://www.avforums.com/forums/3d-plasma-tvs/     这个论坛是全球3D等离子最专业的论坛。。。其中也有不少三星PSC7000 VS  松下VT20的。。。大家可以看看。。。英文要好哈。。。看来北美全部是三星的天下了。。。老美买这款机器的人太多了。。。太多了。。松下VT20排第二。只说销量哈。。。

好了，，说了这么多。。最后回到国内，再来聊这款机器。。。
三星58PSC7000    1.7-----1.9W     各个地区可能是两个眼镜或者4个眼镜。。。有蓝光机
松下50VT20          2.3W左右。。。。有两个眼镜。。。有蓝光机。。。

无论怎么说。。这两台机器都是目前很好机器。。没有哪一个把哪一个一棒打死了。。。适合自已就行。。。。

[ 本帖最后由 jieyi684 于 2010-9-3 12:59 编辑 ]

jieyi684

再多说一下。。。松下国内没有54  58 60的尺寸很失误。。。。。还有就是在成都到现在居然还没有VT20机器演示。。。。。只有在TAOBAO上买。

日系电器

还是那句话：一分钱一分货。

jieyi684

在音响上三星要比松下差一点点。。不过话说回来，，现在都是用音响了。。呵呵...都是DTSHDMA了。。

nidemm1987

性价比秒杀vt20。写轮眼下vt20赢三星。相信真正的ab对比。国内论坛确实还没有这种对比，不如外国客观。

bck51

我对比过这两个机器：
1、在一般室内照度的情况下，三星的屏幕底色更黑、反光更小；
2、三星的图像暗阶层次，不如松下；三星最低的灰阶黑成一片，设置HDMI亮度后，底色发光不正常；
3、松下的3D图像稳定度更高，舒适度好一些；
4、松下的整体亮度更高，具有更大的明视对比度；
5、色彩方面，默认状态属于不同的风格；
   两个机器可调项目很多，色彩方面不好评价。
现在想到的就这么些。

youaiguo

只买对的
不买贵的

stonejeep

功课做的真细致[s:20]

jieyi684

toysonline
Posts: 33  Panasonic And Samsung 3D Plasma already release...
I have not see any Magazine ,Forum and TV Web..Side By Side Compare this Two model...
I think Many pepole waiting for choose one of them!!
I think may be No any detail tell us which is better!
It should be If tell the truth to us..One of them will no market!!
  
这是香港那位朋友在AVS FORUM 论坛上说的。。。在我们论坛上也发个第一个三星等离子PSC7000的贴子。I think may be No any detail tell us which is better!
It should be If tell the truth to us..One of them will no market!!   谁说了真相另外一个机器就没有市场了。。。呵呵


Nobody needs to prove anything. The sets will either maintain their black level or it will rise as previous generations of Panasonic sets have done.

So far, the V25 sets appear to be a solid choice. The only issues I've seen so far are:

1. Priced high vs the Samsung.

2. No 2D-3D conversion. Some will like this feature, others not. Anybody buying either the Panny or Sammy should check this feature out to see if they want it.

3. Design - The Panasonic sets look like they came out of the 80's. Samsung models look much more modern.

4. Turn on issues continue? Panasonic sets have had a tendency to crap out after about a year of use, requiring an expensive fix. Easy to say this is not an issue with these sets, but like the rising blacks, this is only something that will occur over time.

5. Panasonic seems to have produced a quiet set. Samsung still has buzz issues that have carried over from prior versions of their plasma sets.
这是另外一个老外的选择。。。说出了他选择的5个理由。。。
1---价格  2---没有2D转3D，，这个功能有些人LIKE,不些人觉得没有用   3--设计，年轻人都LIKE三星要多一些，看起来要时尚些   4 5我翻译不来。。

jieyi684

这个是很公平的综合评价

zfornight

原帖由 jieyi684 于 2010-9-3 13:29 发表
toysonline
Posts: 33  Panasonic And Samsung 3D Plasma already release...
I have not see any Magazine ,Forum and TV Web..Side By Side Compare this Two model...
I think Many pepole waiting for choos ...

4、是说松下有一个长期以来一直存在的开机问题，维修昂贵，现在不知道解决没，只有等着看了；
5、是三星有嗡嗡电流声~~

[ 本帖最后由 zfornight 于 2010-9-3 14:35 编辑 ]

demeanor

三星等离子不如长红。

pioneer无敌

原帖由 饭跑跑 于 2010-9-3 17:37 发表
支持LZ好帖[s:20]

恶心的棒子枪[s:94] [s:94]

didiao2

原帖由 pioneer无敌 于 2010-9-3 17:44 发表
恶心的棒子枪[s:94] [s:94]

恶心的鬼子枪。。。

[ 本帖最后由 didiao2 于 2010-9-3 18:07 编辑 ]

hellpapa

不要枪来枪去了，比较电视时尽量客观，不要牵扯到国家民族