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[音箱] 打算从美国亚马逊网购一对杰士号角皇Klipschorn听音乐,大家有什么好的建议?

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因本人职业关系,进关问题不大,运输也不是问题(空运或者海运都可以),只是不知道这箱子是否容易玩好,个人现在对此箱有2点打算:1、先入一对纯玩HIFI,最多有时候接上家里原有的威力登DD18玩玩2.1的AV。2、如玩的起来(主要是功放方面的要求不大的话)那就再入一个用来做左中右前三中置,这样可以hifi和av兼顾一下(其实器材再贵一般来说还都能玩得起来,就是房子玩不起,呵呵,所以还是影音不分家了。BTW,浙中小城市,市中心价3W/m2有余,怎么玩?:shutup: )

请大家给点前级和后级功放方面的建议,主要是这箱子美国买非常便宜!:loveliness: :loveliness:  另外颜色本人因为可能要兼顾AV,还是偏重黑色,但显然平时来说核桃木色更美观大方!:loveliness: :loveliness:
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下面再贴些亚马逊网站用家对此箱的评论,粗略看了一下好像反映都非常8错啊![s:17] [s:17]


2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
The mighty Khorn, November 7, 2009
By Ronald R. Carlton (Dallas, Texas) - See all my reviews
   

It is not often something designed and manufactured over 60 years ago can stand the test of time. The Klipsch horn is one of them (others that come to mind are the Fender Telecaster, Stratocaster, Porsche 911, etc.)

The nice thing about the Khorn is it tucks neatly into the corners of your room. The speakers may be big, but they don't take away from the living space. They sound fabulous! They have some of the best imaging of any speakers I have ever heard (even the Jubilee)...the bands instruments and singer are easily located in the listening field. It is as if you are at the concert! In fact better since you can control the volume and program. I have run the Khorns with a cheap Denon AV receiver all the way up to a McIntosh tube amp. All sounded terrific.

Another nice thing about the Khorn is that they can be updated. Say you have a pair manufactured in 1960...they can be brought up to 2009 specs by changing a couple of drivers and adding new crossovers. These are things someone can easily do if they are handy with a screwdriver. That is like taking a 1963 Porsche 911 and bringing it up to 2009 specs for far less than a new one! Name another product on the market that you can do that!
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
One of the best -- with good recordings, July 2, 2009
By Gary Camp (now Corvallis, Oregon -- formerly Oakland, California USA) - See all my reviews
   

Whenever you move from one well designed speaker to another well designed speaker, you gain something and lose something, IMO.

Klipschorns excel in dynamics, and certain kinds of "presence." In a large room, with a good SACD, Bluray disk, analog open reel tape, or with an especially good CD, DVD, or vinyl Lp, they produce an enormous sound that really does sound like a live orchestra. As J. Gordon Holt (the founder of Stereophile magazine) once said, "they trigger the musical Gestalt" for many listeners who are musicians. That triggering is far more important than the few individual variables we can measure. In terms of the conventional measurements Klipshorns have very low intermodulation distortion and very low harmonic distortion. Some
expensive speakers have flatter frequency response, but flatness of frequency response is less important than other variables we can hear, but haven't developed ways to measure, IMO.

As to "power," with the most conservative ratings, it would take an 800 watt amplifier into a typical speaker (one rated at 90 dB at 2.83 volts at 1 meter) to equal the output from Khorns with an 120 watt amp........ with ratings based on the Khorn pushed all the way back in a room corner or an artificial corner (where they must be) a typical speaker would need over 3,000 watts to produce sound as loud as a Khorn with a 120 watt amp (these are figures I just happened to have -- in practice, you wouldn't want to put a steady signal of either 800 watts or 3,000 watts into a typical speaker, nor would you want to put a steady 120 watts into a Khorn).

What Khorns can't do is cover up (mush over) a bad recording. Some other speakers obscure some details (like a singer's rattling necklace that I heard on Klipschorns but missed on all other speakers I tried), and may contribute some harmonically pleasant distortion that will make a bad recording sound "richer." Khorns (and many other horn loaded speakers) are not very "forgiving," and are quite revealing of both music and defects in a subjectively different way than other revealing speakers (such as electrostatics and ribbons).

I once knew a musician who had one set of speakers (all paper cones) to listen to most recordings and FM radio with because they were "forgiving," and a set of horn loaded speakers to listen to recordings of his own acoustical guitar work, because the forgiving speakers could not reproduce the immediacy and "thereness," as he put it, of his guitar.
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Klipschorn pros and cons, November 28, 2008
By D. Thomas Longo Jr. (Delmar, MD USA) - See all my reviews

Having kicked around with the audio hobby since the 1950's and known about "the mighty Klipschorn" by reputation since then, finally at the age of 61 I purchased a new pair of them in 2003 (list $7500, I got them for $6500) plus a new Belle Klipsch in '04 to use as a center channel.

Yes, the Klipschorns are big but are surprisingly unobtrusive when snuggled back into their corners as they should be. The sight of the handsome Klipschorns + Belle array together begets audiophile-reverence before even hearing them. But yes also, the Klipschorns are idiosyncratic, "idiosyncratic" being defined as their being merciless in showing up program- and amplifier imperfections and deficiencies.

The Klipschorns are VERY amplifier sensitive. I have run them with at least four home theater receivers, three of which, the newer models, were designed to feed an external powered subwoofer. The fourth, a vintage-1990 obsolescent Pioneer Pro-Logic receiver (VSX-5700X) does not have a powered subwoofer output. To make a long story short, with the three newer amps the Klipschorns sounded lousy, very clear and precise but with no or nil bass, very thin sounding. Reaction: "I paid $6500.00 for THIS?!"

But with the old Pioneer, holy cow! The Klipschorns BLOOMED. Tight pure deep effortless bass like you would not believe, and fine solid crystal-clear sound and imaging all the way up the spectrum. Same speakers, same room but what a difference. It was dramatically and instantly noticeable.

Since the old Pro-Logic Pioneer drives the center channel with only a synthesized signal of approximately AM-radio quality, the Belle is underfulfilled so to speak, but still anchors the center soundstage nicely. I'm happy.
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21 of 21 people found the following review helpful:
Great Speaker for the right room, June 11, 2007
By Richard T. Grumbine "Bimota Rich" (Fukuoka, Japan) - See all my reviews
   

This is a monster of speaker, and I mean that in many ways. First of course is its size, and second of course is its sound, and lastly is its history! This speaker has been in production for 60 years and it as respected today as when it first came out of Hope AK so many years ago.

The sound is open, powerful, subtle, moving... in a word...involving. And this can be accomplished with very little power as the speaker is very efficient. If you want loud... look no futher. If you want concert realism look no further...if you have a small room and cant utilize the corners...look elsewhere... sounds best with a very clean signal, so amp and source choice is important, but amp power is not so important.

Great for Rock, home theater, and dance music, and very good for everything else. I love to hear Pink Floyd through them as they really bring out the dynamics and energy of the music.

The speakers hold up well over time and you can still get parts to rebuild them.
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don't miss this..., May 30, 2009
By Gavin Hadley (Avon, IN USA) - See all my reviews
   

Great speaker but don't fail to notice that this price is for ONE channel only....stereo = X 2.
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6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
Klipschorn pros and cons, November 28, 2008
By D. Thomas Longo Jr. (Delmar, MD USA) - See all my reviews

Having kicked around with the audio hobby since the 1950's and known about "the mighty Klipschorn" by reputation since then, finally at the age of 61 I purchased a new pair of them in 2003 (list $7500, I got them for $6500) plus a new Belle Klipsch in '04 to use as a center channel.

Yes, the Klipschorns are big but are surprisingly unobtrusive when snuggled back into their corners as they should be. The sight of the handsome Klipschorns + Belle array together begets audiophile-reverence before even hearing them. But yes also, the Klipschorns are idiosyncratic, "idiosyncratic" being defined as their being merciless in showing up program- and amplifier imperfections and deficiencies.

The Klipschorns are VERY amplifier sensitive. I have run them with at least four home theater receivers, three of which, the newer models, were designed to feed an external powered subwoofer. The fourth, a vintage-1990 obsolescent Pioneer Pro-Logic receiver (VSX-5700X) does not have a powered subwoofer output. To make a long story short, with the three newer amps the Klipschorns sounded lousy, very clear and precise but with no or nil bass, very thin sounding. Reaction: "I paid $6500.00 for THIS?!"

But with the old Pioneer, holy cow! The Klipschorns BLOOMED. Tight pure deep effortless bass like you would not believe, and fine solid crystal-clear sound and imaging all the way up the spectrum. Same speakers, same room but what a difference. It was dramatically and instantly noticeable.

Since the old Pro-Logic Pioneer drives the center channel with only a synthesized signal of approximately AM-radio quality, the Belle is underfulfilled so to speak, but still anchors the center soundstage nicely. I'm happy.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-2 12:18 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 likeperfume 于 2010-3-2 11:53 发表
兄是上海的不?
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呵呵,不玩团购,这东东有几个人会玩呢。。首先空间都是问题!:loveliness:
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这是一只还是一对的价格?
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箱子是不错,要推好可要花点心思啊
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杰士为数不多的好的箱子(杰士遗产系列)之一,AVHIFI两相宜!
用美国机器就能把他搞爽![s:14]
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-2 17:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 martin_wu 于 2010-3-2 15:35 发表
杰士为数不多的好的箱子(杰士遗产系列)之一,AVHIFI两相宜!
用美国机器就能把他搞爽![s:14]


呵呵,越来越有信心了。。这箱子看来挺实在的啊。。前后级如果玩AV为主的话不知道谁有好的推荐,箱子灵敏度看起来挺高的,应该不难推吧。。[s:15]
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-2 17:34 | 显示全部楼层
音响领域先驱、公司创建人 Paul W. Klipsch 于 1946 年推出了 Klipschorn 扬声器,使人们有史以来第一次能够在家中体验到现场演出的震撼感、细致表达和丰富情感。

性能非同一般的 Klipschorn 常被称为墙角号角扬声器,它装有一个高效号角处理的高音喇叭和中音压缩驱动头。15 英寸的低音喇叭使用了具有专利的折叠号角,提供强劲的低频音效。

Klipschorn 的面市被誉为是音响业的一个分水岭事件,Klipschorn 在高灵敏度、宽动态范围、低失真度、平稳频率响应性能上确立了扬声器新标准。每一个 Klipsch 扬声器都按照这些标准进行生产,因此 Klipschorn 几十年来一如既往地受到人们的追捧。

Klipschorn 是世界上唯一一款具有连续 60 年生产历史的扬声器,自首次上市以来相对而言没有多少变化。2005 年,公司对这款传奇式扬声器的外观和功能做了一些小改进,包括去除了上下机箱之间的嵌圈或隔片,使机箱更加整洁美观。另外还增加了水平壁密封,以提高低频号角的响应精度。

Klipschorn 的胶合板机箱具有樱桃红、胡桃和黑灰三种颜色,做工精致,永远也不会过时。

Klipschhorn 产品规格
输入连接
5 路接线柱/能够进行双线连接
机箱类型
全号角处理
机箱材料
桦木胶合板及 MDF
饰面
胡桃色漆、樱桃红漆、黑漆
开始生产年份
1946
重量
未装箱时重量为 175 磅
尺寸
高 50 英寸(128.91 厘米)x 宽 31.25 英寸(79.38 厘米)x 深 28.25 英寸(71.75 厘米)
分频频率
HF: 4.5k Hz <br>MF: 450 Hz
标称阻抗
8 欧姆
最大声音输出
121dB SPL
频率响应
33Hz-17kHz± 4dB
灵敏度
在 1 瓦/1 米处灵敏度为 105dB
承载功率
最大持续功率 100w(峰值 400w)
中音
K-55-X 2 英寸(5.08 厘米)石碳酸音膜压缩驱动头
低音喇叭
K-33-E 15 英寸(38.1 厘米)合成纤维锥盆/具有三面指数型折叠的号角处理
中频号角
指数型号角
高音喇叭
K-77-F 1 英寸(2.54 厘米)石碳酸音膜压缩驱动头
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对比一下国内TAOBAO的JS们的售价,呵呵[s:97] [s:97]
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呵呵,同样正在定“抗倭”的顶一下,顺便说下,康沃就是号角皇的原配中置,厂家设计即是如此,所以楼主完全不必听信什么主音箱和中置必须一致的所谓“金玉良言”,而且还能省220美刀,另外,虽然我没有听过这个箱子,也没有实际见过这个箱子,不过从大量信息来看,小空间内(小于20平方),用好这个箱子必须进行声学处理,否则就牺牲大声压下的听感吧,呵呵,美国人设计hifi的理念是不一样的,相对欧洲来说比较讲求实际,简单的说,就是要震撼,要让音乐来打动你,而不是像现下很多人的那种拼命的主动去被音乐所打动。顺便问下,您走的是什么运输途径?现在我们正在头疼运输的问题,2只康沃要是ups的话,至少800美刀,貌似有很便宜的海运,不知道怎么样,能否pm家运输公司?
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-2 18:58 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 cjj8012 于 2010-3-2 17:44 发表
呵呵,同样正在定“抗倭”的顶一下,顺便说下,康沃就是号角皇的原配中置,厂家设计即是如此,所以楼主完全不必听信什么主音箱和中置必须一致的所谓“金玉良言”,而且还能省220美刀,另外,虽然我没有听过这个箱子, ...


兄,你好,谢谢你的提醒,请问厂家设计的号角皇的环绕箱是什么呢?还有低音炮?有相关资料吗?号角皇难道是被厂方当做AV箱来推出的吗?好望请多赐教![s:21] [s:21]   另外根据我的经验,走DHL或者UPS进口是绝对不行的,因为这两个快递的进口报关形式都是主动申报型,也就是说海关还没抽查,他就自己嚷嚷说:我这有进口的东东,需要交进口税[s:97] [s:97] ,你说这样自首型的快递公司你敢用吗?在如何走AAE也可以啊,呵呵,至少AAE聪明多了,都是等海关抽查到再说,但此音箱的箱体巨大,所以我觉得一般来说进口想免税有些难度,如果不求时间,还是走海运比较廉价,通关也更方便,具体操作我不便答复,兄可以请教当地专业做进口的国际货运公司:loveliness: :loveliness: ,也可以在适当的时候PM我:loveliness:
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原来这对箱在国内卖价也就28000元。个人看法这箱很容易出粗声,对环境要求很高![s:97] [s:97] [s:97]
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-3-2 19:45 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 勃总 于 2010-3-2 19:02 发表
原来这对箱在国内卖价也就28000元。个人看法这箱很容易出粗声,对环境要求很高![s:97] [s:97] [s:97]


晕,很容易出粗声?出粗声是什么意思啊?更适合AV?[s:31] [s:31] [s:13] [s:13]
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晕,很容易出粗声?出粗声是什么意思啊?更适合AV?[s:31] [s:31] [s:13] [s:13]
这个音箱灵敏度高达104分贝,且一定要依墙角放,这箱对功放很敏感且严重依赖环境!
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