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发表于 2007-3-30 01:13 | 显示全部楼层
这是音箱刚到那天拍的。现在摆位已经不同啦,也换过脚架了,铺了地毯,小脚架是以前1029,8030用的。
很明显的是音箱离墙远了后,音场立即深了好多,驻波也基本没有了,但S30D的说明书说音箱要么离墙1.6米以上,要么少于0.5米,否则低音不正确。
从38.5买了三根马田路根的线,还用在DA10上,结果声音厚得一踏糊涂,这几天正在退换,换根英国的类似银钱风格的。
S30D本来就是真力箱里偏暖的:(,但这箱子后面调节范围大得多,还可以分别关闭各个喇叭。
没听过8050啊,很想PK一下:)

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回被激活

刚才发成新贴了。
看到你的留言了,我挺想念80系列的声音的,但似乎又有点记不清了。印像中如果5.1,可能还是80好吧。
我这对是哥儿们清仓价,就剩几对,很快就被瓜分了,真力的价格现在很透明,估计在哪儿买都差不多。
还是买8030最划算,真力这种工业产品,只有用途和场合分别,没什么档次分别,8020估计和8050声系都一样。我当时听1029和1037,差别好像也就在量感和气势上。
s30d是真力里最怪的一只,70年代叫S30C,略有不同,也是传奇型号,30D是2000年投产的,去年刚停产,最小的三分频,铝带高音不用强调高音指向,带解码,低音单元也和其它的都不一样,好像是纸盆,但没刷漆,音色如果不调整后面开关,中频全开会暖一些,人声非常好听,前几天有个朋友来家里听, 说不像监听声音啊。我在网上任何用家的心得都查不到。。。我一个玩真力的朋友说比1037好听得多,1037他觉得慢。

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-30 13:48 | 显示全部楼层
喜欢就好啊
我的箱子还是要继续调整电源线,区别太大了,就是暂时找不到3K以内能发出万元级别声音的线
听说Cello K5可能做到,下次定两根看看[s:97]
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发表于 2007-3-30 15:09 | 显示全部楼层
8050a 报到。 家用听音乐看电影。 怕麻烦不玩传统CD,接电脑声卡。 现在音源还没搞定。DAC-1, DA10还是便宜的国产USB DAC不知道上什么好。电源线也没换,到这里来学习。

请教nadesico, DAC-1接电脑能玩转吗?另想听听你的电源线, 平衡线的试用体会。
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发表于 2007-3-30 23:39 | 显示全部楼层
多谢小虫的回复,说得很对!4月份的上海音响展我会去参加,说实话主要就是奔真力去的,因为我想出手买了哦![s:15]
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关于真力的资讯还是太少,特别是S30D,各位有什么心得和信息,多多交流
我用S30D直接接DVD机,音箱背后的音量旋纽都调到最小,音量还能接受,效果不错

只找到这么一个国外用家的心得:


Genelec S30D Powered Ribbon Speakerby John Gatski
Product Points
Applications:
Studio monitoring
Key Features:
3-way active monitor;
8-inch woofer; 3-inch midrange and 60mm
ribbon tweeter; triamped 120 Watts each at 8 ohms; XLR analog and digital inputs
Price: $2,850 each
Contact:
Genelec Oy at
508-652-0900
Web Site


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Genelec S30D
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ð Accurate
ð Sibilance free
ð Digital and analog
interface
ð Built-in power
Minus
ð Rear panel power
switches and level
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The Score
Genelec's ribbon tweeter-based speaker is a premium closefield speaker designed to work in most critical listening applications.

Like tube amps, ribbon tweeter speakers are often associated with a accurate midrange and treble frequency response. Genelec's S30D high-end studio monitor offers that ribbon-tweeter smoothness - as well as self-power, custom-adjustable tone controls, active crossover and analog and digital interfaces.
Features
The S30D is Genelec's premium, small closefield monitor. According to U.S. company spokesman Will Eggleston, the speaker is based on a model that was introduced in the 1970s, now reintroduced as the S30D in late 2000.
Priced at $2,850 each, the Genelec S30D contains an 8-inch woofer, 3-inch midrange and the 60mm Genelec-designed ribbon tweeter. Frequency response is rated from 38 Hz to 48 kHz, +/-2.5 dB. The crossover points are 420 Hz for the bass to midrange and 4 kHz for the midrange to tweeter.
The S30D is triamped, with all three drivers receiving 120 watts of power into 8 ohms; distortion is listed at 0.05 percent. The Class AB amps are claimed to drive is a pair of S30Ds to a maximum of 122 dB SPL at 1 meter.
Other features include overall level control, active analog crossover, level controls for treble, midrange and bass, and bass tilt and rolloff controls for custom tuning in a variety of studio locations. The controls are engaged by recessed, rear panel DIP switches, which require the use of a small flat screwdriver (or similar tool) to engage or disengage. Analog and digital input connections are made via separate XLRs.
The amp output level control is a rotary-screw potentiometer with a range from 0 to -12 dB. Because it is rear panel mounted, the level control is not intended for frequent volume tweaks.
The treble, midrange and bass level trim DIP switch controls range from -1 dB to -6 dB - with a mute function for each band. Handy when using the S30D with a subwoofer, the bass rolloff filter (35 Hz) is adjustable via DIP switch from 0 dB to -8 dB in 2 dB steps. The bass tilt (88 Hz) adjustment allows rolloff in 2 dB steps from 0 dB to -8 dB. Incidentally, there also is a fixed, subsonic filter (below 33 Hz) to keep out unwanted low-frequency content that could harm the bass driver. A fixed ultrasonic filter removes sounds above 60 kHz.
The digital input section is designed to be connected to digital source gear with AES/EBU XLR outputs. Each speaker has a digital XLR input, as well as a digital throughput XLR that routes the digital output to the other speaker. The DAC can accept up to 24-bit, 96 kHz PCM digital signals. Dynamic range is stated at 113 dB. In the digital input mode, either speaker can be designated as left or right speaker, via the channel-select DIP switch.
The digital level controls are also accessed via two rear panel DIP switches. The switch levels are: 0 dB (all level switches off), -10 dB (-10 dB switch engaged), -20 dB (-20 dB switch engaged) or -30 dB (both -10 and -20 dB switches engaged). By using the overall amp level control and the digital level controls, the S30D is said to be able to deliver a full-scale digital signal at anywhere between 76 dB and 112 dB SPL.
The speaker's dimensions are fairly compact: 19.5 inches high, 13 inches wide and 11.5 inches deep; weight is 44 pounds each. A horizontal version of the speaker also is available. Genelec offers a number of optional accessories for the S30D, including flight case, wall mount, handles and speaker grille.
In use
I auditioned the S30D in two different setups: in a project studio editing suite with digital source and in a high-end, closefield listening area with analog sources.
In the closefield listening room, I connected the S30D to a Legacy high current analog preamp via Alpha Core Goertz single-conductor Micro-Purl XLR cables. The speakers were placed on Apollo speaker stands about six feet from the front wall and four feet from the side walls. The tweeters were at ear height at the listener position and angled inward slightly toward the listening position. After tinkering with the tone tailoring adjustments, I found the "flat" positions were the best for my listening room, except for the treble level, which I adjusted to -2 dB.
Using a Sony SCD777ES DSD/CD player as the analog source and playing a number of Tom Jung's high-resolution DSD recordings, my first sonic observation was the flat frequency response. The Genelec S30D is one of the most accurate-sounding, powered speakers I have heard. There was no coloration or deficiency. The bass was clean with no hint of boom. The high midrange and low treble did not have any harsh edge that I have found on other powered speakers.
On the DMP DSD recording "Just Jobim," by Manfredo Fest, the piano sounded very natural with the subtle piano plinks relayed very nicely. On vocal DSD recordings, the ribbon tweeter combined with the midrange driver making it a very effective vocal monitor. No cabinet coloration, no sibilance - just the natural voice.
The S30D's stereo imaging was very good - only a few points shy of matching the sonic width and depth of my Legacy Classic II tower speakers. And the Legacy speakers are larger with a front-firing ribbon tweeter and rear-firing ambiance tweeter.
Connected to the Alesis MasterLink for 24-bit, 96 kHz resolution playback via the speaker's DAC, I listened to recent recordings of my Martin D-35; they were dead on. I could plainly hear the enhanced treble of the thinner spruce top of this guitar - the way you hear it live. The guitar was recorded using a pair of Shure KSM32s and Night Pro PREQ3 microphone preamp.
I also played a number of other 16-bit CD-R recordings I have made. Each time, the results were consistent - accurate, smooth and easy-to-listen to. By the way, ribbon tweeters do a great job of reproducing drum cymbals, and trumpet and trombone tones - without the ear grit these instruments can generate on lesser speakers.
The negatives? Just a few quibbles. With only an 8-inch woofer, the speaker is not going to fill up a big room with lots of bass, but it still does an admirable job down to about 40 Hz. The other quibbles are ergonomic; I wish it had a front-mounted power switch and level control.
Summary
Although the Genelec S30D carries a $5,700 per pair price tag, the payoff in sonic performance is worth the money. With built-in DAC, tone control versatility, the smooth treble of a ribbon tweeter, good bass, and enough power to crank it up in most closefield rooms, the S30D is a premium professional speaker that is excellent for stereo or surround monitoring setups.
John Gatski is publisher/executive editor of Pro Audio Review.
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我也好奇8050接电脑加解码听APE和接高级CD机各有什么不同,CD机明显好吗?
我没接过CD机。。。。但用电脑接实在是太省事了,网上资源也海量。。但连个电脑总觉得,有点另类。。。看上YAMAHA那个硬盘刻录CD播放器,却买不到。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-31 07:59 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 hxf 于 2007-3-30 15:09 发表
8050a 报到。 家用听音乐看电影。 怕麻烦不玩传统CD,接电脑声卡。 现在音源还没搞定。DAC-1, DA10还是便宜的国产USB DAC不知道上什么好。电源线也没换,到这里来学习。

请教nadesico, DAC-1接电脑能玩转 ...


要看你电脑什么声卡了
几百块档次推荐DIYEDEN的莫邪的光纤输出,质量不错的。AB秒杀了几十块钱的USB转光纤盒子(飞利浦芯片的)
上到4K就推荐1616M了

电脑卡连接DAC-1和高档转盘AB的话差距是存在的,看你的要求了

电源线当然是越贵越好了,不过不适合厚声的线,最好是中低频收掉点的线。我目前用的是发烧bin的美国power snake Venom,反正便宜,效果超值
便宜的上次尝试了欧阳的5芯白金龙也不错,高频没有Venom那么漂亮,不过低频更好点
最近看中的是Cello为录音棚研制的K系列电源线,已经弄了一根K1给DAC-1试验,如果声音却是和宣传的一样,准备弄2根K5给喇叭用

平衡线也是要低频控制力好,最好高频飘逸点,延伸好点的,比如丝带和超时空高档线
要求高点的话起码要用圆形海姆达、Tyr、空气1号级别
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你那power snake Venom线多长的,我用两米的,要不出给我吧[s:30]
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-31 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 小虫放屁暗自惊 于 2007-3-31 20:16 发表
你那power snake Venom线多长的,我用两米的,要不出给我吧


才1.5米,我用正好,你就太短了
而且K1没有想象中的好,多数不换了[s:97]
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谢谢nadesico,很多经验要慢慢消化。最近在看slim device的transporter, 似乎是电脑HIFI的最佳选择,就是太贵了...
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请nadesico大哥指点

nadesico大哥指点:
小第房间为10平米,平时听古典小品,总价二万,
烦请大哥帮忙推荐,谢谢!
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-4 15:58 | 显示全部楼层
如果是GENELEC里面选择,这个价位可以买到8040AP+benchmark DAC-1
转盘的话先弄个sony固定头顶着比如XA30ES
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多谢大哥及时指点!
还有一个问题请教:上海哪里有卖?要正品有保修的。
不好意思,本人是个新手,一直在苦苦潜水,还望大哥多带带小弟。
如果方便,愿聆听大哥当面指导,本人在普陀区。
手机:13916656163
先谢了!


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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-4 21:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 qhqqhq 于 2007-4-4 16:37 发表
多谢大哥及时指点!
还有一个问题请教:上海哪里有卖?要正品有保修的。
不好意思,本人是个新手,一直在苦苦潜水,还望大哥多带带小弟。
如果方便,愿聆听大哥当面指导,本人在普陀区。
手机:13916656163 ...


上海似乎没有非工程卖家
真要找问问看他有没有
http://shop33766262.jd-bbs.com/

真力中国在北京的,我也是文北京买的
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