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[碟机] 旗舰PK,对denon 3800 和先锋09FD的对比评价(转)

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转自avforums的一个用户的评价,在使用了几部机子后对比得出结论denon 3800比09FD略胜一筹。
懒人就捡些重点说一下
音频部分:低频两个旗舰都很出色,主要差距在高频上,3800更好一些
视频部分:画质都很出色,denon略微深些,动态画面denon略好

后面也有人质疑,但差距主要是音频和动态画面,所以可惜不能贴图来说明

个人印象denon高端的机子向来素质一流,先锋强在性价比。这篇文章比较详细,但仅供参考,希望能有更权威评测比较。

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Hi All,

Just thought I would feed back my findings with you, yesterday I spent some time with Steve at TLC Broadcast, I wanted to buy a Projector, and look at Blue Ray Player Differences.

Well we started looking at the Pio LX08, which was I felt better than my PS3 in fine detail which I had sort of expected, although I think Sony have done an admirable job on keeping it up to date as well as being a games console.

Moving on to the Denon 2500, this was where I started to see some bigger differences, the Sound was the first thing, the Bass was more controlled, and the fine detail on the higher frequencies was there, which I couldn't pick up before. The picture had more depth to it also.

Moving onto the LX91 this was another visible step forward, the audio was amazing, the whole thing was so well balanced, we were watching excerpts from I Robot and Mama Mia mainly. The description I gave it was mellow probably smooth would be better, because up to that point I felt the audio had been good but this was a major step forward. Picture quality was also excellent. The only reservation I had was that I felt the high frequencies were a tad harsh. I must admit at this point the audio and picture was so good I did not think it could be improved upon.

Finally the Denon 3800, this was for me the best of all, I thought the 91 was ace but this was to my ears/eyes anyway mind blowing, the steering was amazing, the control of the high and low frequencies was incredible, it brought the audio together in such a cohesive way that the sound would immerse you. The sound was just that little bit better, extremely well controlled. I felt the high frequencies were ever so slightly harsh on the 91, they were perfect with the 3800.

I felt the picture was superb, the main area which I felt the 3800 was better, was that it seemed to cope with fast motion slightly better. Otherwise I would rate the 91 equal on picture. The picture on both units 91 and 3800 had an edge in the depth of the image over the LX08, the difference between the 2500 and the 3800 was harder to see. But I felt the audio was better, and the colour and depth of the image were slightly better too.

All in all the machines all produced good results, but there are subtle differences, whether they are worth the money, only the individual can decide. I walked out with the 3800, plus some other bits

The only thing I would add is that I was doing the tests using a Denon 4308, so the result may have been different on a different AV Amp.

I would also like to thank Steve for his time, patience and enthusiasm in which he carried out the demo.

SDM197.

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发表于 2009-4-1 19:30 | 显示全部楼层
很有意思,如果你去AVSforum得09FD owner thread, 你会看到一个更加公正的3800,09FD和索尼5000ES的PK, 播放CD,索尼和先锋打个平手;论画质,天龙和索尼打平,09FD略微胜出一丁点。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-1 21:14 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 uvwd 于 2009-4-1 19:30 发表
很有意思,如果你去AVSforum得09FD owner thread, 你会看到一个更加公正的3800,09FD和索尼5000ES的PK, 播放CD,索尼和先锋打个平手;论画质,天龙和索尼打平,09FD略微胜出一丁点。

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原帖由 wooodooo 于 2009-4-1 21:14 发表

有链接么?贴出来看一下


[s:30][s:30][s:30]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15650824#post15650824

Disclaimer: I want to first ask everyone not to get offended by anyjudgments or opinions. This comparison study is based on my takes andsomeone else may prefer something else. Do not take any commentspersonal. Especially when pertaining to the big 3. Each would make anyhome theater better and would easily take MVP honors.

Quick statement: Even if you "only" bitstream the 09FD is more than worth it.

Let's get started... For the majority of the comparison I (we) focusedon the big 3 (09FD, Denon 3800 & Sony S5000ES). All have the latestfirmware updates. For some "light" comparisons I used a 51FD (mybedroom unit), Panny BD35, PS3, Sammy 1500 and Insignia Blu ray unit.

Analog Audio... I (we) only compared the big 3 here. I was notsurprised in the least when all scored well. Each have good to greatbuild Q which I am certain played an integral part. I had help from myguests and we spent a good part of the day listening to these players.Each guest had their own clipboard to write notes and score eachplayer. We judged them in a few categories and of course had an overallscore for each category. Of the 6 "judges" 3 liked the 09FD, 2 the 3800and one the S5000ES. What does this mean? We all agreed they are alldamn good and anyone would be thrilled to have either or. The analogsound was exceptional going into my 886 PRO. I am now going to be tornbetween using analog and going my usual bitstream route. The insides ofeach unit are state of the art and I hate the thought of letting themgo to waste! Seriously... If you are able to bitstream then you won'tbe disappointed either. If you are an analog fan then you will berocked!
CDs in all three units sound very good. It was very hard picking afavorite but everyone had one. I was shocked when we had a three waytie. Sorry, no definite answer there... Speaking of my guests I held themprisoner for awhile today but released them with gift cards to BB andMarshalls (for the two ladies). I also raffled off the BD35 which thewinner gave to the other guest since he already had one. That was agentleman move! I appreciated them taking this serious. For my personal taste in Audio I preferred the Pioneer 09FD. Not by alot. It was close and the Denon 3800 was only a point away. The S5000ESwas only a point and a half away! There really is not a loser here.Bottom line, they all create ear candy.

Pic Q... My favorite category. I have said many times before we havereached the pinnacle in terms of pic Q. The 09FD has now become the newjoerod standard ().I know I let the cat out of the bag early but it deserves to be free.The Denon 3800 and S5000ES are still top notch performers but thelatest 09FD has them beat. I think the 48 bit color upconversion and 16bit video are the key players. Of course the Marvell Qdeo chip doesn'thurt either. For Blu ray and regular SD dvds. The Sony S5000ES andDenon are both still to close to call. If I had to take one I would gofor the S5000ES (between it and the 3800). The Superbit Mapping featureis cool and does give it a slight edge. And it is very reliable. Ofcourse without doing any tweaks the 3800 and S5000ES are a dead tie. Atleast that is how I would call it. In my intro I mentioned about howthese latest higher end models are coming with more and more picadjustments. That is what separates them from the middle pack. Beingable to calibrate them definitely gives them the edge. They have moreadjustments than the majority of displays on the market. Especially th3800 and 09FD! As for the middle pack they are all close but not on thesame level. Of course depending on your display the difference could befrom slight to significant. And smaller screens make it even harder. Iam mainly referring to 1080p/24 Blu ray. The middle pack players do notcome close with SD dvds. The 09FD, 3800 and S5000ES are at least alevel or two higher. My pick is the 09FD. My guests were literallyblown away with the SD dvd quality. You could easily argue that some ofthe better SD dvds look like real HD! And again all of the big 3 arevery good with SD dvds and anyone would be more than satisfied witheither or. And again (I know I just said that) there are absolutely nolosers here. I for one am excited to see such amazing pic Q these days.I can't imagine how much better it can get from here!

I don't use stop watches. As for load times they are all pretty muchnearly the same these days. The king is still the beloved PS3. The nextclosest player I have seen (and own) is my Oppo Blu ray player. I won'tsay anything else about it due to the NDA I have with them. As for theother players (including middle pack) they are all not as bad as itused to be. I remember the days of doing a comparison and being able tohave a full conversation or an akward silence break while we waited.Now those uncomfortable silences are over!

Conclusion: I had a lot of fun doing this comparison study. In the nextcouple of days I will give more details. I am exhausted and amstruggling not to sleep. I usually only sleep 4 to 5 hours a night tobegin with but when you are actually doing homework ()it is more straining. I will gladly answer any and all PMs (except hateones) or questions here. Thanks again for everyone's support here.

Finally... A couple of picks of the Dark Knight from the 09FD with 48bit color upconversion going and of course at 1080p/24.. If it looksover-saturated blame my camera. In person there is more depth, detailand overall natural eye candy that blew everyone away! The first pic isa scary close up of the joker. The last is a scary close up of Batman.The second (probably most important) is one I (we) used for one of ourcomparsion studies. The building had slight noise or moire' on nearlyall the other players. The 09FD handled it like a champ. As it did theProfessional Benchmark Blu ray disc I used for testing. The 09FD is thereal deal. Congrats are in order for Pioneer starting off 2009 with theBlu ray/SD dvd player to beat... Test drive one!

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-1 23:23 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,谢谢,看来旗舰确实都有实力,用家的评价也主要集中在一些主观性上
不过目前看09FD这个新蓝光确实得到一致的好评,不知道视频风格搭配infocus in83会如何,严重考虑中。。。
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那这样说来A1UD可能会是最牛的了!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-2 00:27 | 显示全部楼层
价格也是最好的[s:14]
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既然是旗舰级产品,用料和技术都在伯仲之间,各自都有一两项拿得出手的杀手简,光看用料数据是不可能知道它的色彩声音特性风格是否适合自己的系统和喜好。正如SONY FANS心中永远是SONY最好一样。最后还是眼睛耳朵收货,主观性评价也就是最好的参考,只是要会看。09FD目前在旗舰中无论C/P还是整体都是暂时赢一个马鼻
(SONY 和DENON没有独立视频HDMI输出,最终出来画质就已经是打丁点一些折扣)


原帖由 wooodooo 于 2009-4-1 23:23 发表
呵呵,谢谢,看来旗舰确实都有实力,用家的评价也主要集中在一些主观性上
不过目前看09FD这个新蓝光确实得到一致的好评,不知道视频风格搭配infocus in83会如何,严重考虑中。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-2 22:45 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 自文 于 2009-4-2 09:29 发表
既然是旗舰级产品,用料和技术都在伯仲之间,各自都有一两项拿得出手的杀手简,光看用料数据是不可能知道它的色彩声音特性风格是否适合自己的系统和喜好。正如SONY FANS心中永远是SONY最好一样。最后还是眼睛耳朵收货 ...

是啊,就像相机里的C和N一样,其实没有绝对的第一,各取所需吧
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本人就同时拥有着2台机器,我的评价:画质09FD胜出,音质除了09FD不能解码DTS-HDMA以外,播放TURE-HD及LPCM同3800没有多大区别!!
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本人就同时拥有着2台机器,我的评价:画质09FD胜出,音质除了09FD不能解码DTS-HDMA以外,播放TURE-HD及LPCM同3800没有多大区别!!
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牛的,楼上的音响系统用的什么?
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[s:17] A1UD[s:20] [s:20] [s:20]
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现在偶得感觉是  好戏好在后面[s:97]   先锋的cp值,模拟部分还是相当强的

2个hdmi口 这点最是吸引人,也是目前最发烧的玩法[s:6]
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呵呵,继续观望中。。。
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