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[碟机] 我不是枪手,看看在用OPPO 83的香港烧友和近期BDP的选择

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发表于 2009-9-22 14:03 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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最近要入BDP,所以关心了一下热门机型,看到这个OPPO 83,一直疑惑是不是炒作,如果不是,他还是一台比较超值的全能机。



缺钱,加上功能需求明确[s:41] [s:41] 肯定不会上09fd、AIUD之类的



本想还搞台纯转盘,把我不需要的全去掉。这点很欣赏DENON 2500BT,自己干好自己的份内事情。前阵差点入了,音视频好,但是速度慢、兼容性差、还是110V的。。。。动不动死机等,,估计拿来看的比用的多 ,[s:8] [s:8] 想了想还是算了


其他选择


(1)PIONEER 51fd、05FD----中坚热型机器。。音视频、兼容性评价都不错。。。。但是速度实在是。。急S人。。并且是去年的技术。。。如果不是速度问题,就这台了,虽然他有好多我用不上的废物[s:41]

(2)SONY S360、才出的新型第四代,速到好、兼容性好,视频据说不错,够便宜[s:98] 就是不知道源码输出后的音频和51/FD之类比的话如何。。喜欢这种机型的纯粹,有点像转盘了。





(3)oppo 83[s:41] [s:41]
也是好评如潮,但可能被当小白鼠。。。看到香港那边很热衷这台宇宙机,评价不错。据说和AIUD  比,视频平手,音频完败[s:41] 、速度完胜。兼容性也不错,如果真如评测所说,应该是台超值之选。

(4)还有PANISONIC BD60,据说也不错,速度稍慢,就是不知道兼容性如何



大家看帖的时候顺便帮我看看这个
http://www.jd-bbs.com/viewthread.php?tid=2062701&pid=31516939&page=1&extra=page%3D1




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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 14:25 | 显示全部楼层
終於有denon A1UD的review 同 bdp-83的比較, 哈哈! 4萬對4千! http://hometheatermag.com/discplayers/denon_dvd-a1udci_universal_blu-ray_player/index2.html

嘩! 如果只睇啲星 (我英文唔好冇睇所有內容 ), 完全 KO 天龍, 就算可能畫質或音校, 比例上差過天龍, 不過以十分一價錢, C/P rate 勁高 nick 兄果然冇介紹錯 (查實我部 naim 都係仲你啲毒)

The player’s versatility was also remarkable, due to its outstanding video processing. Whether it was concert videos, Discovery Channel’s Shark Week on Blu-ray, or the toughest test patterns at my disposal, the Denon’s 1080i-to-1080p processing was simply flawless. This is not surprising; as you can see from our Video Test Bench chart (previous page), the Denon handled every processing grenade we could lob in its direction with precision and aplomb. The asterisk is there to indicate that the Denon only passed our 2:2 HD test clip if the player’s Progressive Mode setting was switched from Auto to Video 2 in the setup menu. This will only affect playback of a few concert videos and perhaps TV shows encoded at 1080i on BD. We feel that a player must pass our test suite in its Auto setting since the disc jackets don’t provide the information users would need to engage a different deinterlacing mode on an as-needed basis.
1080p/24 playback with the standard DVDs I watched—especially Star Wars: Episode IV—worked well, without loss of cadence or image breakup. And on top of that, the image quality on Star Wars was as good as I’ve seen from that DVD in my system. Even problem-child clips from DVDs like Gladiator that give some players fits were highly detailed and as gorgeous as standard def can be to an HD snob like myself. Even hard-core high-def addicts might find that this player rekindles their love affair with catalog titles that haven’t gone Blu yet.
Use and Interactivity: The Need for Speed
While the Denon’s pure performance was beyond reproach, it is a step backward in disc loading and access times compared with the newest, speediest players and that old standby, the Sony PlayStation 3. The PS3 and the recently reviewed OPPO BDP-83 (which I bought and is now my reference player) are very comparable in terms of speed. I compared the Denon with the OPPO and timed the loading/access times to the first onscreen image and then to the main menu with Disney’s difficult Ratatouille and two new titles: Disney’s Race to Witch Mountain and Warner’s Watchmen. These are difficult discs that require multiple hits of the skip forward button. Still, the OPPO accessed both main menus in less than half the time it took the Denon. Watchmen and Witch Mountain took more than two minutes to get to the main menu with the Denon, while the OPPO took just over one minute.
Overall disc access and reaction times with navi-gation and other interactivity was also on the slow side, including Bonus View PiP and BD-Live. As with so many other standalone players, if Denon’s looking for an area to improve upon this player’s formidable performance, interactivity and disc speed offer the biggest opportunity.
Comparisons and Sweet Sounds
There’s no reason to compare the OPPO BDP-83 and the DVD-A1UDCI, except that they are both universal Blu-ray players and the $500 OPPO
is a ridiculous overachiever. The OPPO offers much faster disc access and loading times, and its video processing and video performance over HDMI with BD and DVD are on par with the very best players I’ve seen at any price, including this Denon. But I don’t think it’s fair to expect different, and I note this not to criticize the Denon, but to set reasonable and accurate expectations. With HD video over HDMI, I just haven’t seen a magic bullet from any player at any price, even on my large projection screen. The Denon is absolutely beyond reproach, as it should be. It’s just not alone in that regard, and it would be contrary to my experience to suggest otherwise.
However, over its analog audio outputs, the Denon is far more singular. It smashes the sound quality of the OPPO and every other BD player I’ve yet heard by a degree that’s nothing short of astonishing.
Saying it’s night and day is only the beginning.
The OPPO’s analog audio playback is very respectable for a $500 player, but the Denon goes much, much farther. When you listen to CDs on these two players, you’ll never guess they were playing the same format.
On the Denon, Neil Young’s Live at Massey Hall CD wasn’t merely good playback; it felt like a live performance. The size of the venue and the energy of the audience were both evident and palpable. The guitar sounds weren’t merely strings anymore. I could hear the body of the instrument and Young’s hand-slapping interaction with it to an uncanny degree, and it was clearly apparent when he moved closer to or farther from the microphone. These details sound small, but they add up to an experience that’s entirely different in total. On the Denon, the jump from CDs to SACDs expanded as well. The difference in clarity and detail when the higher-resolution discs were spinning wasn’t just noticeable, it was dramatic.
Going further, and perhaps more surprising, I preferred the Denon’s analog output’s sound on both CDs and audio-oriented Blu-ray Discs over a digital connection from that same player to Anthem’s D2v surround processor, which retails for $7,500. The Anthem is no slouch at all. The Denon is that good.
Conclusion
The Denon DVD-A1UDCI offers cutting-edge video that’s unexcelled, and it’s the best-sounding BD player I’ve heard to date. By about a mile and a half. On that criterion alone, this player is the proverbial bomb. However, this player does leave me a little conflicted. I loved its picture and sound every day it was here, and it made me dig into my movie and music library with glee. But I wanted to have my cake and eat it too. I consistently wished for better speed in disc loading and access times, as well as swifter response with interactivity. The DVD-A1UDCI isn’t alone in having somewhat sluggish response. Much of that is inherent in the Blu-ray format, which has improved interactivity at the expense of speed. But the players we’ve gravitated to here at HT are typically those that go farthest in solving these inherent issues, and there’s a simple reason for that. They’re the easiest players to watch movies on day in and day out. Still, to an audiophile who doesn’t care about the newfangled interactivity as much as I do, the DVD-A1UDCI’s performance will be more than enough.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 14:38 | 显示全部楼层
大意
OPPO83S是一部不可思议的超值的机器
OPPO 83速度完胜A1DU[s:41]

视屏超级好,基本和A1UD持平[s:13] 。 都在水准之上,DENON为此感到惭愧[s:98] [s:98]

音频,A1UD模拟输出卓越非凡,远胜其他机型。oppo83的模拟输出绝对对得起500元的价格。2太机器放在一起听CD的话,感觉就不是同一曲[s:41] [s:41] ,差别巨大[s:41]


感觉评价不像枪手,还比较客观
就是好像没有比较2者的BITSTREAM输出的差别
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 14:39 | 显示全部楼层
家电的人气最近真的不是很好啊[s:94] [s:94]
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发表于 2009-9-22 15:39 | 显示全部楼层
选择BD机还有一个很重要的因素就是你主要看什么片源。 比如原版BD、刻录D版BD、硬盘BD等。
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想买全套家电,学习一下
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 16:16 | 显示全部楼层
目前就是刻录BD25\BD50啦,,已经有4T的PS3用的BD了[s:98]
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偶来啦!!!家电人气一直很好,奇怪的是老兄你一发帖子就没人回...[s:6]
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看刻录的25和50的话,建议还是买台便宜点的,经操...

有朋友买的25和50刻录只能放几次,以后再放就不读碟了...
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
[s:94] [s:94] [s:94]
SONY S360,,,经搞吗?
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是啊,ON THE WAY兄的帖子回的人是比较少,可能问题比较高端吧[s:43]

何不考虑下先锋23FD呢?是05FD的后续机型,据说速度提高了。在023那里了解到,23FD销量是比较大的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-22 18:56 | 显示全部楼层
多谢斑竹,,去看看23FD

据说是05FD缩水版?    只要源码输出不缩水就行[s:98]
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发表于 2009-9-22 20:35 | 显示全部楼层
bd83 最近我要写个评测.  关于速度方面我不关心

只关心他的视频 音频 效果
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发表于 2009-9-22 20:50 | 显示全部楼层
我最近也要写个评测帖,OPPO83与天龙2500BT同场竞技,源码输出和图像比拚。
我又回来了
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这个要重视的。。[s:20]
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